[nagdu] Sport vs standard harness

Fri Sep 23 17:38:33 UTC 2011

Okay, now I'm not confused.  thanks.  I think I like the Laveau style with 
the y configuration.

Margo and Arrow
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From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sport vs standard harness

> The standard harness is configured like our American style harness, just 
> as you're used to seeing. The sport and Laveau styles have two straps that 
> come down from the back strap, over the shoulders, meeting in the middle 
> of the chest with the martingale like a print letter Y.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
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> On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>
>> Wht is the difference between the martingale standard and sport 
>> martingale?
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
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>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sport vs standard harness
>>
>>
>>> They will make offset handles, and the martingale is an integral part of 
>>> the sport and Laveau designs. Also, the standard harness comes with a 
>>> martingale standard.
>>> --
>>> Buddy "I don't work for these guys" Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you get a martingale strap?
>>>>
>>>> also, wonder if they will make offset harnesses.
>>>>
>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sport vs standard harness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right: the total freedom of movement in the sport style harness 
>>>>> handle does require some care, as you can, if not careful, over walk 
>>>>> your dog. It seems unlikely that the handle would flip up in the way 
>>>>> you indicate, although I suppose that is a possibility, albeit a slim 
>>>>> one. However, the handle does move far enough that it could literally 
>>>>> go up over your dog's nose, but the backward pressure as your dog 
>>>>> moves and as you move would probably preclude this. Though it would be 
>>>>> very possible to over walk if you're not careful. The advantage is 
>>>>> that you can make extremely tight turns.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not on the sight, but order the sport harness, and in the 
>>>>> comments, ask Bob to make you the Laveau style. This is a sport style 
>>>>> with stabilizer loops. I have one for Leno and absolutely love it. The 
>>>>> loops keep the handle at  a natural angle, the handle can't go up over 
>>>>> your dog's head, but you still feel all the movement through the 
>>>>> shoulders the way the straps are configured. Truly, I think the Laveau 
>>>>> style gives the best of both styles. It definitely has a different 
>>>>> feel from the standard American harness as you'd get from school. You 
>>>>> really feel, not only the pull into the front of the harness, but also 
>>>>> the shoulder movement to some extent. I quite like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> To tell you the truth, the only real reason I wanted another harness 
>>>>> was the removable handle. It's the one feature of Seeing Eye's 
>>>>> harnesses that I wish we had but don't. I don't have any issue with 
>>>>> their name on the back strap or anything of that nature. So, yes, the 
>>>>> harness with loops still has a removable handle. Just thread the 
>>>>> handle through the loops, then snap it together. The plastic backpack 
>>>>> type fasteners that Bob and Rox'e use are surprisingly sturdy; I think 
>>>>> you'd have to try pretty hard to damage one. Now having said that, 
>>>>> beyond the removable handle, I really enjoy using my Paw Power 
>>>>> harness. It's lightweight, gives great feedback, and looks sharp. 
>>>>> Definitely count me as satisfied. And I got mine with all the options: 
>>>>> reflective tape and padding, I mean. Bob assures me the reflective 
>>>>> tape is sewn on, not glued, so it will hold up just fine in the 
>>>>> laundry.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking about getting a Pawpower harness.  It would be nice to 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> something I can throw in the wash, especially with winter crud coming
>>>>>> along.  I'd also like something where I could detach the handle.
>>>>>> What I'm not sure about is which to get, sport or standard.  I need 
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> able to tell instantly when Ben is stopping for traffic or dodging a
>>>>>> pedestrian.
>>>>>> I'm a little worried that, with the sport, the handle might flip over 
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> head.  I'm a little worried that, with the standard, it would be 
>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>> take the handle off and on because of the stabilizer loops.
>>>>>> What do those of you with Pawpower harnesses have to say?
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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