[nagdu] Advance Notification

[Marion Gwizdala]

Lyn,
    I cannot answer the question concerning other accessible designs for 
churches; however, the example you cite might also not be feasible because 
of the impractibility of putting in ramps due to the closeness of the 
sidewalks.

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advance Notification


> Marion,
> Curious about churches and the ADA.  Does this mean that churches who want 
> to rennovate their premeses don't have to be subject to the ADA in that 
> they need to make their place wheelchair accessible?
>
> Why I ask is that when I belonged to a small church, I was on the Church 
> Council when we talked about making changes to the building and we were 
> told that we had to put in an elevator or ramps to make the rennovated 
> space accessible to wheelchair users.  We couldn't afford to do this and 
> the ramps would have no physical space due to the closeness of the 
> property to the street.
>
> As to the dogs, there were several of us who had guide dogs and the church 
> even put in a relieveing area for the dogs.  This church is very guide dog 
> friendly - and disability friendly and they made changes to allow for the 
> participation of people with all disabilities.  Only we were unable to 
> provide total access to all buildings on the site since we had buildings 
> built in the 1930s and rennovated in the 1950s.
>
> Me, personally, wouold never attend a church where my guide dog wasn't 
> welcome.  How can one worship the one they call a "shepherd of man 
> (sheep?)" and then deny access to the very creatures made by God? 
> Althouogh this church I was involved in was very welcoming to dogs and 
> disabled, I left because the pastor was unwelcoming to LGBT folks - out 
> ones - as I came out to be my real self and moved on.
>
> I know that people will make whatever arrangements with their churches and 
> that's fine.  I was surprised at the private clubs and churches not being 
> obligated to be under the ADA rules about service dogs.  Guess I went to 
> the right clubs and churches! LOL!  The people in these places all loved 
> Jacob and Landon.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advance Notification
>
>
>> Cindy,
>>    You were very wise to notify the church about your guide dog in 
>> advance. As you stated, clubs that are private in nature and churches are 
>> not subject to the provisions of the ADA.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advance Notification
>>
>>
>>>I believe, Marion, that this is a good point. If some give advanced 
>>>notification and some don't, then there is reasonably confusion. There is 
>>>not only confusion for the companies/businesses, but actually for blind 
>>>people as well. Do we or don't we?
>>>
>>> I have signed up for a private retreat at a retreat center. I toyed with 
>>> whether or not I should tell them. It is a church facility and not a 
>>> public hotel really, so I did notify them in advance; that for me is a 
>>> gray area and it is totally out of character for me to do it. They have 
>>> no problem with my bringing him but were glad I said so. I think what 
>>> made me do it was the notion that churches and the like are not 
>>> necessarily considered public.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
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