[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Wed Apr 11 01:54:15 UTC 2012

Julie, you make an excellent point.  Besides, I believe she said she has
rightful owenership of the dog, and under most state laws, the dog is
considered property, and if the intent is indeed to take the dog, there is
one more reason for law enforcement to become involved.  However, keep in
mind, this is only a fear of hers, and not actually an intended action of
the graining program from what we have been told thus far.  

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J.
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:47 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help

I think if the local authorities were involved the school would have to
prove that the dog is legally theirs.  I don't think the police can enter
your home and take stuff out.  That is a civil matter that has to be decided
through a lawsuit settled in court.

If she owns the dog and doesn't want to give him up, then she has every
legal right to keep him.  I think her issue will be the emotional struggle
in dealing with the program, not the legal one.

I like the others suggestion of not having the dog at the house when the
program rep comes.  I'd go one step further and leave the harness with a
note on the porch step and make plans to take the dog myself somewhere else
that day.

I hope it works out with the least amount of unpleasantness for your friend.

Julie

> Legally, yes she does. She can't find the piece of paper that says she 
> does, and a request from the school for her records I'm sure won't go 
> anywhere. She's just worried that if the school comes and forces the 
> issue and gets the local authorities involved, which she wouldn't put 
> past them, that because she can't yet find the piece of paper that 
> says she owns her dog, the school would be able to take him away. She 
> also wishes to file a complaint somehow against the school but doesn't 
> know how to do that at all.
> Laurel and Stockard
>
> On 4/10/12, Larry D. Keeler<lkeeler at comcast.net>  wrote:
>> Wow!!  Thats a really tough one!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laurel"<laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:58 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need 
>>> somebody to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm 
>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am 
>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>
>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog 
>>> made it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program 
>>> due to aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and 
>>> she didn't get but a week with her. She went back to the same school 
>>> about 4 or 5 months later and was given a guide. This guide has been 
>>> with her for 3 years. He has numerous health problems with his 
>>> stomach that make it not possible for him to work anymore. He also 
>>> has issues with right side clearance while working and my friend has 
>>> suffered many injuries while working this dog. This dog is a sweet 
>>> dog, a good pet but not a good guide. She has over the years, and 
>>> imparticularly the last 6 months, tried desperately to get help from 
>>> the school. The school has told her that she's on her own and can't 
>>> be helped and they refuse to send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>
>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work 
>>> anymore and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog 
>>> and wants to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She 
>>> loves him and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school 
>>> basically said that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to 
>>> forceably take the dog and rehome him. They are not planning to 
>>> inform his new home of any health issues he has or anything. My 
>>> friend is very upset and doesn't want her dog to go back to this 
>>> school considering the fact that they didn't care about him all this 
>>> time and didn't attempt to rectify the situation at all. Is there 
>>> anything my friend can do to keep the dog from getting taken by the 
>>> school. Please don't get me wrong, my friend is a great handler. She 
>>> was issued a dog that due to health and working issues should have 
>>> never been issued. This situation is not her fault. Can anybody give 
>>> me any legal advice etc to help with the situation. I'm willing to 
>>> tell you who the school is and with my friend's permission discuss 
>>> the situation in full with somebody, if it would help. If anybody 
>>> could help me and my friend, please write me privately and let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>
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