[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Wed Apr 11 03:15:38 UTC 2012

I'm wondering if she would join the list and we could share her story with her personally? Just a thought, and maybe you've already explained why not.

CL

On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Laurel wrote:

> Thanks y'all. I hope I haven't offended anybody here. I know that alot
> of people have bad experiences with various schools, and they change
> schools and move on. I have tried hard to be careful as not to say
> anything that would tell you the specific school other than it's not
> GDB, that's my school. I'm not interested in school bashing or talking
> bad about anybody specifically. I don't know the school's side, I do
> know that more people than just her have had issues, but there's also
> two sides to every story. I really appreciate that you all helped out,
> my friend wants me to thank you all on her behalf. I think she's going
> to mail the harness as free matter of the blind, neither of us
> realized that you could do that and I know it makes her feel lots
> better knowing that nobody will come see her.
> Once again, we really really do appreciate the advice, hope y'all
> don't mind me speaking for my friend. Like I said, I don't know all
> the details, just what she told me, so I appreciate the advice.
> 
> Laurel and Stockard
> 
> On 4/10/12, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> Julie, you make an excellent point.  Besides, I believe she said she has
>> rightful owenership of the dog, and under most state laws, the dog is
>> considered property, and if the intent is indeed to take the dog, there is
>> one more reason for law enforcement to become involved.  However, keep in
>> mind, this is only a fear of hers, and not actually an intended action of
>> the graining program from what we have been told thus far.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:47 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>> 
>> I think if the local authorities were involved the school would have to
>> prove that the dog is legally theirs.  I don't think the police can enter
>> your home and take stuff out.  That is a civil matter that has to be decided
>> through a lawsuit settled in court.
>> 
>> If she owns the dog and doesn't want to give him up, then she has every
>> legal right to keep him.  I think her issue will be the emotional struggle
>> in dealing with the program, not the legal one.
>> 
>> I like the others suggestion of not having the dog at the house when the
>> program rep comes.  I'd go one step further and leave the harness with a
>> note on the porch step and make plans to take the dog myself somewhere else
>> that day.
>> 
>> I hope it works out with the least amount of unpleasantness for your friend.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>>> Legally, yes she does. She can't find the piece of paper that says she
>>> does, and a request from the school for her records I'm sure won't go
>>> anywhere. She's just worried that if the school comes and forces the
>>> issue and gets the local authorities involved, which she wouldn't put
>>> past them, that because she can't yet find the piece of paper that
>>> says she owns her dog, the school would be able to take him away. She
>>> also wishes to file a complaint somehow against the school but doesn't
>>> know how to do that at all.
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>> 
>>> On 4/10/12, Larry D. Keeler<lkeeler at comcast.net>  wrote:
>>>> Wow!!  Thats a really tough one!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Laurel"<laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:58 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need
>>>>> somebody to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog
>>>>> made it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program
>>>>> due to aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and
>>>>> she didn't get but a week with her. She went back to the same school
>>>>> about 4 or 5 months later and was given a guide. This guide has been
>>>>> with her for 3 years. He has numerous health problems with his
>>>>> stomach that make it not possible for him to work anymore. He also
>>>>> has issues with right side clearance while working and my friend has
>>>>> suffered many injuries while working this dog. This dog is a sweet
>>>>> dog, a good pet but not a good guide. She has over the years, and
>>>>> imparticularly the last 6 months, tried desperately to get help from
>>>>> the school. The school has told her that she's on her own and can't
>>>>> be helped and they refuse to send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work
>>>>> anymore and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog
>>>>> and wants to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She
>>>>> loves him and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school
>>>>> basically said that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to
>>>>> forceably take the dog and rehome him. They are not planning to
>>>>> inform his new home of any health issues he has or anything. My
>>>>> friend is very upset and doesn't want her dog to go back to this
>>>>> school considering the fact that they didn't care about him all this
>>>>> time and didn't attempt to rectify the situation at all. Is there
>>>>> anything my friend can do to keep the dog from getting taken by the
>>>>> school. Please don't get me wrong, my friend is a great handler. She
>>>>> was issued a dog that due to health and working issues should have
>>>>> never been issued. This situation is not her fault. Can anybody give
>>>>> me any legal advice etc to help with the situation. I'm willing to
>>>>> tell you who the school is and with my friend's permission discuss
>>>>> the situation in full with somebody, if it would help. If anybody
>>>>> could help me and my friend, please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>> 
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