[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Laurel laurel.stockard at gmail.com
Wed Apr 11 03:20:31 UTC 2012


I think she's planning to sometime soon when she can finally remember
too /grin/ and when she gets to her computer. She will for sure.
/grins/
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/10/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm wondering if she would join the list and we could share her story with
> her personally? Just a thought, and maybe you've already explained why not.
>
> CL
>
> On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Laurel wrote:
>
>> Thanks y'all. I hope I haven't offended anybody here. I know that alot
>> of people have bad experiences with various schools, and they change
>> schools and move on. I have tried hard to be careful as not to say
>> anything that would tell you the specific school other than it's not
>> GDB, that's my school. I'm not interested in school bashing or talking
>> bad about anybody specifically. I don't know the school's side, I do
>> know that more people than just her have had issues, but there's also
>> two sides to every story. I really appreciate that you all helped out,
>> my friend wants me to thank you all on her behalf. I think she's going
>> to mail the harness as free matter of the blind, neither of us
>> realized that you could do that and I know it makes her feel lots
>> better knowing that nobody will come see her.
>> Once again, we really really do appreciate the advice, hope y'all
>> don't mind me speaking for my friend. Like I said, I don't know all
>> the details, just what she told me, so I appreciate the advice.
>>
>> Laurel and Stockard
>>
>> On 4/10/12, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>>> Julie, you make an excellent point.  Besides, I believe she said she has
>>> rightful owenership of the dog, and under most state laws, the dog is
>>> considered property, and if the intent is indeed to take the dog, there
>>> is
>>> one more reason for law enforcement to become involved.  However, keep in
>>> mind, this is only a fear of hers, and not actually an intended action of
>>> the graining program from what we have been told thus far.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:47 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>> I think if the local authorities were involved the school would have to
>>> prove that the dog is legally theirs.  I don't think the police can enter
>>> your home and take stuff out.  That is a civil matter that has to be
>>> decided
>>> through a lawsuit settled in court.
>>>
>>> If she owns the dog and doesn't want to give him up, then she has every
>>> legal right to keep him.  I think her issue will be the emotional
>>> struggle
>>> in dealing with the program, not the legal one.
>>>
>>> I like the others suggestion of not having the dog at the house when the
>>> program rep comes.  I'd go one step further and leave the harness with a
>>> note on the porch step and make plans to take the dog myself somewhere
>>> else
>>> that day.
>>>
>>> I hope it works out with the least amount of unpleasantness for your
>>> friend.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>> Legally, yes she does. She can't find the piece of paper that says she
>>>> does, and a request from the school for her records I'm sure won't go
>>>> anywhere. She's just worried that if the school comes and forces the
>>>> issue and gets the local authorities involved, which she wouldn't put
>>>> past them, that because she can't yet find the piece of paper that
>>>> says she owns her dog, the school would be able to take him away. She
>>>> also wishes to file a complaint somehow against the school but doesn't
>>>> know how to do that at all.
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>> On 4/10/12, Larry D. Keeler<lkeeler at comcast.net>  wrote:
>>>>> Wow!!  Thats a really tough one!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Laurel"<laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need
>>>>>> somebody to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog
>>>>>> made it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program
>>>>>> due to aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and
>>>>>> she didn't get but a week with her. She went back to the same school
>>>>>> about 4 or 5 months later and was given a guide. This guide has been
>>>>>> with her for 3 years. He has numerous health problems with his
>>>>>> stomach that make it not possible for him to work anymore. He also
>>>>>> has issues with right side clearance while working and my friend has
>>>>>> suffered many injuries while working this dog. This dog is a sweet
>>>>>> dog, a good pet but not a good guide. She has over the years, and
>>>>>> imparticularly the last 6 months, tried desperately to get help from
>>>>>> the school. The school has told her that she's on her own and can't
>>>>>> be helped and they refuse to send a trainer out or help her in any
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work
>>>>>> anymore and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog
>>>>>> and wants to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She
>>>>>> loves him and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school
>>>>>> basically said that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to
>>>>>> forceably take the dog and rehome him. They are not planning to
>>>>>> inform his new home of any health issues he has or anything. My
>>>>>> friend is very upset and doesn't want her dog to go back to this
>>>>>> school considering the fact that they didn't care about him all this
>>>>>> time and didn't attempt to rectify the situation at all. Is there
>>>>>> anything my friend can do to keep the dog from getting taken by the
>>>>>> school. Please don't get me wrong, my friend is a great handler. She
>>>>>> was issued a dog that due to health and working issues should have
>>>>>> never been issued. This situation is not her fault. Can anybody give
>>>>>> me any legal advice etc to help with the situation. I'm willing to
>>>>>> tell you who the school is and with my friend's permission discuss
>>>>>> the situation in full with somebody, if it would help. If anybody
>>>>>> could help me and my friend, please write me privately and let me
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
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