[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Wed Apr 11 17:10:51 UTC 2012

Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann Arbor 
and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting carreer 
change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure 
wouldn't want to retire her!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help


> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
> Can anybody help with this one?
> Laurel and Stockard
>
> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for this.
>>
>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
>> list.
>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about 
>> a
>> working dog.
>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people
>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is 
>> retired,
>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern 
>> doesn't
>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson 
>> in
>> why ownership matters.
>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are 
>> all
>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad 
>> experience
>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Laurel
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>
>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>> Laurel and Stockard
>>
>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it 
>>> is
>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible 
>>> that
>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>>> the
>>> school.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>>> the school?
>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't 
>>>> tell
>>>> you which one".
>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>
>>>> Of Laurel
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>
>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>
>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>
>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
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