[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Wed Apr 11 16:50:16 UTC 2012

No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
Can anybody help with this one?
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
> Thank you for this.
>
> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
> list.
> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about a
> working dog.
> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people
> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is retired,
> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern doesn't
> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson in
> why ownership matters.
> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are all
> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad experience
> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Laurel
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>
> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>
> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
> Laurel and Stockard
>
> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it is
>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible that
>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>> the
>> school.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>> their dogs are mean".
>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>> the school?
>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't tell
>>> you which one".
>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>
>>> Of Laurel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>
>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>
>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>
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