[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Apr 11 20:36:30 UTC 2012


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help


> I'll write you off list Larry.
>
> Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
> group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
> /smiles/
> Laurel and Stockard
>
> On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann 
>> Arbor
>> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting 
>> carreer
>> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>> wouldn't want to retire her!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>> Can anybody help with this one?
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>
>>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>
>>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on 
>>>> the
>>>> list.
>>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking 
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> working dog.
>>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of 
>>>> people
>>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the 
>>>> time?"
>>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>> retired,
>>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>> doesn't
>>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a 
>>>> lesson
>>>> in
>>>> why ownership matters.
>>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>>> all
>>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>> experience
>>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Laurel
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>
>>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably 
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>>> is
>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>>> that
>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking 
>>>>> about
>>>>> the
>>>>> school.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not 
>>>>>> name
>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I 
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, 
>>>>>> share
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she 
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically 
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
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