[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Marsha Drenth marsha.drenth at gmail.com
Wed Apr 11 20:41:22 UTC 2012


Laura,

If your friend goes to nfbnet.org and then find the NAGDU list, there is a
page there that she can use to sign up on. 

HTH
Marsha 


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Laurel
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help

I'll write you off list Larry.

Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
/smiles/
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann
Arbor
> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting carreer
> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
> wouldn't want to retire her!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>
>
>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>> Can anybody help with this one?
>> Laurel and Stockard
>>
>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you for this.
>>>
>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
>>> list.
>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking
about
>>>
>>> a
>>> working dog.
>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of
people
>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>> retired,
>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>> doesn't
>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson
>>> in
>>> why ownership matters.
>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>> all
>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>> experience
>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Laurel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>
>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>
>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
wrote:
>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>> is
>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>> that
>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking
about
>>>> the
>>>> school.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not
name
>>>>> the school?
>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I
wouldn't
>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you which one".
>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad,
share
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>
>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
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