[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Thu Apr 12 15:03:16 UTC 2012

Thanks! I know I clicked on several links to ge there, but I wanted to
make this easy for my friend. Preciate it!
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/12/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
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> At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>>Laurel,
>>    If one goes to our website
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>>and clicks on the "Join the NAGDU discussion list", it will take you
>>directly to the subscription page.
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>>Marion
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>>I'll write you off list Larry.
>>>
>>>Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>>group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>>/smiles/
>>>Laurel and Stockard
>>>
>>>On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann
>>>> Arbor
>>>>and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting
>>>> carreer
>>>>change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>>wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>>retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>>>>And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>>is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>>>>>him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>>Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>>Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>>On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>Thank you for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>list.
>>>>>>I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>working dog.
>>>>>>This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>>All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the
>>>>>> time?"
>>>>>>Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>>retired,
>>>>>>it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>>Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a
>>>>>> lesson
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>why ownership matters.
>>>>>>Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>>Of Laurel
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>>>>>been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>>ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>>>>>help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>>haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>>subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>>>>>thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>>people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>>won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>>>>>on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>>>>>You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>>>>the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>>Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>>>talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably
>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>>School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>>>>their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>>You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not
>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>the school?
>>>>>>>>If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>>>tell
>>>>>>>>you which one".
>>>>>>>>Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad,
>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>>>>>to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>>>>GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>>>>going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>>>>>it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>>>>>aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or
>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for
>>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>>years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>>>>>not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>>>>>side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>>>>>while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>>>>>good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>>months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>>>>>told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>>>>>send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>>>>>and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>>>>>to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>>>>>and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically
>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>>>>>dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>>>>>any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>>doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>>>>>that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>>>>>rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>>>>>keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>>>>wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>>>>>health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>>situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>>>>>to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>>>>>and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>>>>somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>>>>>please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>>Laurel and Stockard
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