[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Thu Apr 12 17:13:25 UTC 2012

Sorry to have bothered you.  I found the link after I had emailed you.

Jenny
On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:34 AM, David Andrews wrote:

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> At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>> Laurel,
>>   If one goes to our website
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>> and clicks on the "Join the NAGDU discussion list", it will take you directly to the subscription page.
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>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
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>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>> 
>> 
>>> I'll write you off list Larry.
>>> 
>>> Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>> group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>> /smiles/
>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>> 
>>> On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann Arbor
>>>> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting carreer
>>>> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>> wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>>>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>>>>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>> Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> working dog.
>>>>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people
>>>>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
>>>>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>> retired,
>>>>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> why ownership matters.
>>>>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>>>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>>>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>>>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>>>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>>>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>>>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>>>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>>>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>>>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
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