[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Jennifer Perdue jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 13 16:36:38 UTC 2012


Silly is good, it keeps you from going crazy.  But I am a little of both, smile.

Jenny
On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:25 AM, rhonda cruz wrote:

> yes, we are a silly group. but we are great. smile.
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> 
>> Welcome!  This is generally a great list!  We can get a little goofy sometimes but we're a good bunch!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>> 
>> 
>>> Sorry to have bothered you.  I found the link after I had emailed you.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:34 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A person can also subscribe directly using e-mail -- send a message to:
>>>> 
>>>> nagdu-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line by itself.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Laurel,
>>>>> If one goes to our website
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://ww.nagdu.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> and clicks on the "Join the NAGDU discussion list", it will take you directly to the subscription page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll write you off list Larry.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>>>>> group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>>>>> /smiles/
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann Arbor
>>>>>>> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting carreer
>>>>>>> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>>>>> wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>>>>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>>>>>>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>>>>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>>>>>>>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>>>>> Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> working dog.
>>>>>>>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>>>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people
>>>>>>>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
>>>>>>>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>>>>> retired,
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>>>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> why ownership matters.
>>>>>>>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>>>>>>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>>>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>>>>>>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>>>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>>>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>>>>>>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>>>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>>>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>>>>>>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>>>>>>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>>>>>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>>>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>>>>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>>>>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>>>>>>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>>>>>>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>>>>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>>>>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>>>>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>>>>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>>>>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>>>>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>>>>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>>>>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>>>>>>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>>>>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>>>>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>>>>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>>>>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>>>>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>>>>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>>>>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>>>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>>>>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>> 
>>>> 
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