[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Fri Apr 13 14:34:55 UTC 2012


Jenny,
    You are not bothering me. I look forward to your posts on the list!

Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help


> Sorry to have bothered you.  I found the link after I had emailed you.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:34 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>> A person can also subscribe directly using e-mail -- send a message to:
>>
>> nagdu-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line 
>> by itself.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>>> Laurel,
>>>   If one goes to our website
>>>
>>> http://ww.nagdu.org
>>>
>>> and clicks on the "Join the NAGDU discussion list", it will take you 
>>> directly to the subscription page.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll write you off list Larry.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>>> group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>>> /smiles/
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>> On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann 
>>>>> Arbor
>>>>> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting 
>>>>> carreer
>>>>> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>>> wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>>>>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't 
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>>> Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> working dog.
>>>>>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of 
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the 
>>>>>>> time?"
>>>>>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>>> retired,
>>>>>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a 
>>>>>>> lesson
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> why ownership matters.
>>>>>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just 
>>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in 
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another 
>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or 
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>>>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably 
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is 
>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking 
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not 
>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I 
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I 
>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, 
>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need 
>>>>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me 
>>>>>>>>> (I'm
>>>>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog 
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she 
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 
>>>>>>>>> or 5
>>>>>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her 
>>>>>>>>> for 3
>>>>>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make 
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with 
>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many 
>>>>>>>>> injuries
>>>>>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but 
>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school 
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work 
>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and 
>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves 
>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically 
>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the 
>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice 
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my 
>>>>>>>>> friend,
>>>>>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>
>>
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