[nagdu] another what would you do question

Tami Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Fri Apr 13 17:05:13 UTC 2012 

Julie,

I agree that the theories are good, but the logistics difficult to 
implement. /smile/ Unless the other dog has a conveniently distinctive 
bell or something that is loud enough to be heard and distinguished from 
a distance over crowd noise or whatever else is going on, you simply 
can't count on avoiding being in the same space. Hm...

The step of talkin to the other handler about the matter is a great one. 
So I'm interested in hearing how that goes. You waited until your 
emotions were settled down so you can do that in a calm, adult 
fashion... Not that I can see you doing it any other way. /smile/ It's a 
lot of work to add that in to trip prep, it sounds like, but being 
forewarned... Ugh! Still, I think that I would make the extra effort and 
find out as much as I could.

So then, supposing you get hold of the handler before hand, you will 
have a better picture of what you're likely to be facing. Depending on 
how the other handler responds, of course! I would have been really, 
really uncomfortable about the prospective van ride with that dog even 
on a suspicion there might be aggression issues, but it sounds like 
you're being spared that.

Good luck, and please do let us know what you find out and how it all 
plays out. This is a situation any of us could face. Yuk! I've tried 
thinking through it every which way while I read this thread and 
honestly can't think of a strategy for dealing with another's aggressive 
dog in a closed space that I'm happy with. Hm...

Tami

On 04/09/2012 08:11 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> A couple more questions for you...do you have advice on how to stay 
> away from this other dog?  I have a bit of usable vision, but not 
> enough to be able to say scope out whether or not there is a dog by 
> the door across the room where I want to exit.  I don't know how I 
> would be able to know with a high level of reliability where this 
> other dog is at all times.  Also if this other dog is actually 
> dangerous how is that not my problem?
>
> Several people have said that I should give the other dog space and to 
> control my own dog because that's all I can do.  While I think in 
> theory those are nice ideas, I just can't see how they would work in a 
> practical sense to keep a disaster from occurring.
>
> Julie
> On 4/9/2012 10:00 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>
>> When you go around this dog, just keep a little distance between you 
>> and this other.  Lte the other dog do what it does and control 
>> yours!  They'll get called out!  We can only control our dogs!  I do 
>> this and if someone else can't, well its not my probblem!  ----- 
>> Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>
>>
>>> I don't know for sure if the dog has bitten someone.  I only know 
>>> what people have told me.  I do know the person who is supposed to 
>>> have been bitten and I intend on asking about it when I get the 
>>> opportunity.
>>>
>>> I don't want to accuse anyone of anything that I don't know for 
>>> certain. After all I don't know this person and have never met 
>>> either him or the dog.  On the other hand what people are saying is 
>>> quite serious.  I want to plan ahead and prevent any problems from 
>>> occurring if that is possible. If something does happen I will most 
>>> certainly not sweep it under the rug.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2012 9:30 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>> Biting people?!  This dog has bitten people, and no one's filed 
>>>> charges,
>>>> or called Animal Control?  And what is this guy thinking, working a 
>>>> dog
>>>> that bites people?  That just seems crazy.  Are you sure it's that 
>>>> bad?
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what the dog does, only what others have told me.  But
>>>>> biting people does scare me, quite a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/9/2012 8:54 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>> I have to ask, what does this dog do and why does it scare you?
>>>>>> Kujo levels of aggression??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:47 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenine,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you.  This is sorta what I was coming to, once I got over the
>>>>>> initial panic. I'll have to ask around to get contact info for the
>>>>>> gentleman.  We have never met.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did ask the people I talked to about what exactly the dog 
>>>>>> does.  I got
>>>>>> very specific answers that honestly scare me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then this afternoon I realized that my transportation master plan 
>>>>>> is an
>>>>>> epic fail for entirely other reasons.  So I may very well have to 
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> other transportation to this event, not because of the dog but 
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> can't be in two places at once.  Honestly I need to be more diligent
>>>>>> about putting things in the calendar. *sigh*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.  It truly does help.
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11:47 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think my questions would include, to those trusted sources first:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Describe why you feel this dog is aggressive, what kinds of 
>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> you seen in which this dog exhibited aggressive behavior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I'd  contact the person and just flat out ask, letting him 
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you've heard reports that his dog has some issues with either
>>>>>>> aggression, or
>>>>>>> at the very least, making noise around other dogs, which is 
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> mistaken for aggression. I'd let him know that you are concerned 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> riding in a closed vehicle with this dog and just want to know 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> stand, not to criticize him or the dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that's the fair way to handle it but whatever way you 
>>>>>>> choose,
>>>>>>> talking to the handler is going to have to be one of those 
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> evils.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Julie J.
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have another what would you do in this situation question.  
>>>>>>> I'm going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> apologize in advance because my information is going to seem 
>>>>>>> cryptic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am attending an event with other blind people and some guide 
>>>>>>> dogs. I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> riding to this event in a van with one of the other guide dogs.  
>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> planning on taking Monty.  I have heard from more than one trusted
>>>>>>> source that the other guide dog is aggressive.   I do not know the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> guide dog handler at all.  I do not know what program the dog is 
>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>> Not going to this event is not an option.  getting there another 
>>>>>>> way is
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> extremely remote option that I'm looking into.  Even if I do 
>>>>>>> find other
>>>>>>> transportation I will be in a small hotel for the weekend where 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> guide dog will also be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do I do?  I've thought about leaving Monty, but there 
>>>>>>> won't be
>>>>>>> anyone available to care for him.  I'd have to leave him at the dog
>>>>>>> sitter's
>>>>>>> place.  It also feels like leaving Monty is allowing the other 
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> to not
>>>>>>> take responsibility for his dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there some obvious solution that I'm overlooking? I know you 
>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> awesome and will have great ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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