[nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help

Fri Apr 13 21:58:42 UTC 2012

Lst time, we got a choice between the vice president of Programs and the 
president.

margo andArrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help

>I don't think everyone sees the president as they used to. Some see the 
>supervisor of training or whatever he's called.
>
> CL
>
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>
>> I forgot to say that at TSE, at the end of your stay there, you get to go 
>> see the president - himself a TSE graduate - and tell him about your 
>> experiences both good and bad.  This allows the administration of TSE the 
>> feedback to help them make decisions in how the program is going or needs 
>> to go.  When you see the president, it is one-on-one with him and I found 
>> it easy to talk to him - nice guy.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>> I think that most schools want feedback from their graduates - the good 
>>> and the bad - so they can know how they are doing and what can be 
>>> changed or not.  I know that The Seeing Eye has changed policies based 
>>> on the feedback it got from its graduates.
>>>
>>> I think that there can be good productive discussions about our schools 
>>> without flaming or bashing them.  It's called "constructive criticism" 
>>> or a critique.  This is good and needed in order for companies or guide 
>>> dog school to provide good customer service.
>>>
>>> Flaming and bashing serves no purpose other than to be nasty.  It 
>>> doesn't help fix problems in any constructive way.  I have never 
>>> experienced a school that tried to intiminate me at all.  Maybe I don't 
>>> intimidate that easily - LOL - and I always have spoken my views freely.
>>>
>>> I find that bullies will seek out the folks who get intiminated easily 
>>> and I have seen this in action alot.  Schools are made up of people and 
>>> if they have bullies on their staffs, well, I'll have nothing to do with 
>>> them. Bottom line with me is that I be treated with respect and I treat 
>>> others with the same respect.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, some folks feel caught up in what there school thinks about them.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:35 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Really?  Are people really afraid of retaliation if they talk about 
>>>>> some
>>>>> negative aspect of their school, but want to return there?  I guess 
>>>>> they
>>>>> are, but I dont understand it.  I expect my school, first GDB and now 
>>>>> TSE,
>>>>> to act professionally.  I expect them to be able to take criticism in 
>>>>> a
>>>>> professional manner.  And I can't think of anything I might say on the
>>>>> list about them that I wouldn't be equally willing to say to, say, a
>>>>> director of training or a CEO.
>>>>> But I'm a Taurus from Montana, living in New York and New Jersey; in 
>>>>> other
>>>>> words, I tend to speak my mind pretty plainly.
>>>>> But it does seem to me to show a lack of trust in the people one is
>>>>> getting service from.  If I didn't feel I could trust my school to act
>>>>> like adults, I'd seriously consider going elsewhere.
>>>>> JMO.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole said:
>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably 
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if 
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not 
>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I 
>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, 
>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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