[nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Apr 13 23:26:14 UTC 2012 

As the VP of Programs (was he) Doug Roberts? Couldn't remember all their titles, but we didn't get a choice. We were assigned. I didn't care. That does sound familiar now though.
CL

On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:

> Lst time, we got a choice between the vice president of Programs and the president.
> 
> margo andArrow
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
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> 
>> I don't think everyone sees the president as they used to. Some see the supervisor of training or whatever he's called.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>> 
>>> I forgot to say that at TSE, at the end of your stay there, you get to go see the president - himself a TSE graduate - and tell him about your experiences both good and bad.  This allows the administration of TSE the feedback to help them make decisions in how the program is going or needs to go.  When you see the president, it is one-on-one with him and I found it easy to talk to him - nice guy.
>>> 
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I think that most schools want feedback from their graduates - the good and the bad - so they can know how they are doing and what can be changed or not.  I know that The Seeing Eye has changed policies based on the feedback it got from its graduates.
>>>> 
>>>> I think that there can be good productive discussions about our schools without flaming or bashing them.  It's called "constructive criticism" or a critique.  This is good and needed in order for companies or guide dog school to provide good customer service.
>>>> 
>>>> Flaming and bashing serves no purpose other than to be nasty.  It doesn't help fix problems in any constructive way.  I have never experienced a school that tried to intiminate me at all.  Maybe I don't intimidate that easily - LOL - and I always have spoken my views freely.
>>>> 
>>>> I find that bullies will seek out the folks who get intiminated easily and I have seen this in action alot.  Schools are made up of people and if they have bullies on their staffs, well, I'll have nothing to do with them. Bottom line with me is that I be treated with respect and I treat others with the same respect.
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, some folks feel caught up in what there school thinks about them.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really?  Are people really afraid of retaliation if they talk about some
>>>>>> negative aspect of their school, but want to return there?  I guess they
>>>>>> are, but I dont understand it.  I expect my school, first GDB and now TSE,
>>>>>> to act professionally.  I expect them to be able to take criticism in a
>>>>>> professional manner.  And I can't think of anything I might say on the
>>>>>> list about them that I wouldn't be equally willing to say to, say, a
>>>>>> director of training or a CEO.
>>>>>> But I'm a Taurus from Montana, living in New York and New Jersey; in other
>>>>>> words, I tend to speak my mind pretty plainly.
>>>>>> But it does seem to me to show a lack of trust in the people one is
>>>>>> getting service from.  If I didn't feel I could trust my school to act
>>>>>> like adults, I'd seriously consider going elsewhere.
>>>>>> JMO.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nicole said:
>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it is
>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible that
>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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