[nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help

Sat Apr 14 01:16:53 UTC 2012

yes, Doug roberts and Dave Johnson is now doing that job.

margo and Arrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help

> As the VP of Programs (was he) Doug Roberts? Couldn't remember all their 
> titles, but we didn't get a choice. We were assigned. I didn't care. That 
> does sound familiar now though.
> CL
>
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>
>> Lst time, we got a choice between the vice president of Programs and the 
>> president.
>>
>> margo andArrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>
>>
>>> I don't think everyone sees the president as they used to. Some see the 
>>> supervisor of training or whatever he's called.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I forgot to say that at TSE, at the end of your stay there, you get to 
>>>> go see the president - himself a TSE graduate - and tell him about your 
>>>> experiences both good and bad.  This allows the administration of TSE 
>>>> the feedback to help them make decisions in how the program is going or 
>>>> needs to go.  When you see the president, it is one-on-one with him and 
>>>> I found it easy to talk to him - nice guy.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" 
>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think that most schools want feedback from their graduates - the 
>>>>> good and the bad - so they can know how they are doing and what can be 
>>>>> changed or not.  I know that The Seeing Eye has changed policies based 
>>>>> on the feedback it got from its graduates.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that there can be good productive discussions about our 
>>>>> schools without flaming or bashing them.  It's called "constructive 
>>>>> criticism" or a critique.  This is good and needed in order for 
>>>>> companies or guide dog school to provide good customer service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flaming and bashing serves no purpose other than to be nasty.  It 
>>>>> doesn't help fix problems in any constructive way.  I have never 
>>>>> experienced a school that tried to intiminate me at all.  Maybe I 
>>>>> don't intimidate that easily - LOL - and I always have spoken my views 
>>>>> freely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that bullies will seek out the folks who get intiminated easily 
>>>>> and I have seen this in action alot.  Schools are made up of people 
>>>>> and if they have bullies on their staffs, well, I'll have nothing to 
>>>>> do with them. Bottom line with me is that I be treated with respect 
>>>>> and I treat others with the same respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, some folks feel caught up in what there school thinks about 
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
>>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retaliation? was: I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?  Are people really afraid of retaliation if they talk about 
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> negative aspect of their school, but want to return there?  I guess 
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are, but I dont understand it.  I expect my school, first GDB and 
>>>>>>> now TSE,
>>>>>>> to act professionally.  I expect them to be able to take criticism 
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> professional manner.  And I can't think of anything I might say on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> list about them that I wouldn't be equally willing to say to, say, a
>>>>>>> director of training or a CEO.
>>>>>>> But I'm a Taurus from Montana, living in New York and New Jersey; in 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> words, I tend to speak my mind pretty plainly.
>>>>>>> But it does seem to me to show a lack of trust in the people one is
>>>>>>> getting service from.  If I didn't feel I could trust my school to 
>>>>>>> act
>>>>>>> like adults, I'd seriously consider going elsewhere.
>>>>>>> JMO.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicole said:
>>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably 
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if 
>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is 
>>>>>>>> possible that
>>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking 
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not 
>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I 
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I 
>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, 
>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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