[nagdu] an update on my friend

Sun Apr 15 06:05:50 UTC 2012

Hi Jenny,
I cannot even begin to imagine what you are going through. I do know
that if something were to happen to my dear Anise I would be
devastated. However, I can say that I just graduated from GDB three
months ago, and I had a great experience. I needed additional training
because I had a dog switch halfway through class, and they sent out my
instructor to work with me for a week in my home area. They also
checked on me two months after arriving home, and they have picked up
my first vet bill because Anise got an ear infection six weeks after
arriving home. We are now working on getting a new harness for Anise
because the one she currently has fits her a little too lose, and when
I contacted graduate services, they were very nice and helpful. I know
that there are many great schools out there, but since I recently
graduated from GDB, which is the school you applied for, I thought I'd
let you know what my experience was like. I know that if you go, you
will enjoy it there. I went to the Oregon campus, and the instructors
were great.
Best,
Juanita And Anise

On 4/14/12, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>  hi jenny,
>  i think you shouldn't give up about getting a another guide dog.
>  i will pray for you.
>  i know you are comserned,
>  but there's a special guide dog out there for you.
>  i've felt the same.
>  but i still pulled through it.
>  there are many great school's.
>  that have great support, etc.
>  you will find your match and the school of your choice.
>  good luck about gdb.
>  well, from rhonda.
>
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>
>> thanks for the information.
>>
>> I'm on the fence about whether I want to apply anywhere.  I applied to
>> GDB, but I'm just letting it ride for now.
>>
>> I've got some health issues I want to deal with and I was honest with them
>> and told them that so they said it would be OK for me to take care of
>> myself first and that wouldn't shut the door on whether I was approved for
>> a dog.
>>
>> I don't know though.  I don't know how I feel any more.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is incorrect.
>>>
>>> Two things:
>>>
>>> 1) If there's ghiardia going around, your dog will probably have pills to
>>> help with that. Leno had some when I got him.
>>>
>>> 2) Even if that doesn't happen, which strikes me as unlikely, the Seeing
>>> Eye will reimburse vet costs beyond your normal wellness checkups for the
>>> first year you're with your dog. After that, should something arise, I
>>> understand they can make no interest loans for very expensive and
>>> necessary procedures.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thank you for that perspective.
>>>>
>>>> the only thing that concerns me about that is I know people with dogs
>>>> that came home with giardia and I don't think TSE helped them with the
>>>> additional expenses that went along with it.
>>>>
>>>> I can't afford to get a dog that turns out to be unhealthy, which
>>>> happened with Brooks by the way, and then be stuck with high medical
>>>> bills and food expenses again.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I chose GDB.  They are willing to help out with things like
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying TSE isn't a good school, cause it is.  You just have to
>>>> be able to afford what ever comes your way.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would just say, Jenny, that you are way more apt to hear about the
>>>>> health issues and things that went wrong with dogs from a school than
>>>>> those that went right. I had three dogs that were not good matches. I
>>>>> decided maybe I was not a good user. The guy who came out to work with
>>>>> me, a wise man indeed, said that sometimes he wonders about the dogs
>>>>> from there because he sees so many who are having problems, and then he
>>>>> has to "cry uncle" because he sees the ones with problems and not the
>>>>> ones that are happy, healthy relationships. I might be wrong, but I'd
>>>>> bet you could do a learned survey and discover that there is a
>>>>> considerable amount of health issue from each school. Dogs are live
>>>>> beings; as such, they are subject to health issues the same as we are,
>>>>> and there are no guarantees. I am just saying that this wouldn't be the
>>>>> only thing you would want to look at. You want to look at how they come
>>>>> by their dogs and what they do about it if there is a health issue; how
>>>>> long does it take for them to make it right however they must. I
>>>>> wouldn't be closed minded about a school because you've heard they have
>>>>> a lot of health issues unless it is in the high percents. Just a
>>>>> thought you might think on.
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about
>>>>>> schools unduly.  But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs
>>>>>> having health issues and psychological issues way too young.  That is
>>>>>> the only reason I haven't applied there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh I can't say that.  Southeastern found out really quickly when I
>>>>>> applied there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me
>>>>>> nervous to apply there again.  Especially since I've seen so many
>>>>>> problems with dogs from there from other lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean no disrespect.  I'm just stating what I've seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as
>>>>>>> they see you.  They do not just see or hear what another school has
>>>>>>> said and automatically say NO.  They will give all qualified people a
>>>>>>> chance to prove themselves.  Just be real clear in what you want in a
>>>>>>> dog so they can make the best match for you.  They realize that
>>>>>>> problems people have with some previous schools can occur for any
>>>>>>> reason - bad chemestry between individuals, bad chemestry between
>>>>>>> handler and dog.  People change schools for all manner of reasons and
>>>>>>> is not unusual at all.  TSE is very fair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them.  I
>>>>>>> personally have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my
>>>>>>> school, but I also respect people's decisions to attend the school
>>>>>>> they feel is best for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad you are going to try again.  Like I said, don't let the jerks
>>>>>>> get you down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words.  I am going to go
>>>>>>>> forward with the application process at the school I've chosen.  I
>>>>>>>> thought about TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern
>>>>>>>> quickly found out about it and that's when they manipulated me into
>>>>>>>> going back there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin
>>>>>>>> on what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to
>>>>>>>> deal with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back
>>>>>>>> to school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth
>>>>>>>>> guide dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The
>>>>>>>>> Seeing Eye. I am 61 years old and live in San Diego.  I do pet
>>>>>>>>> assisted therapy with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party
>>>>>>>>> club.  I enjoy hanging out with friends, walking, reading, and many
>>>>>>>>> fun stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused
>>>>>>>>> you, or know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune
>>>>>>>>> and I am so sorry about that.  I want you to know that what
>>>>>>>>> happened to you regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of
>>>>>>>>> us.  When you deal with living beings there's no guarantees as to
>>>>>>>>> what will happen with said living beings. Don't beat yourself up
>>>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that
>>>>>>>>> caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from
>>>>>>>>> getting great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on
>>>>>>>>> what they see for themselves. They come to interview each
>>>>>>>>> prospective student in person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the
>>>>>>>>> early 1970s and they all vary.  I am sure you will find a school
>>>>>>>>> that meets your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the
>>>>>>>>> nasty folks get you down.  They are the ones with the problem - not
>>>>>>>>> you.  This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it
>>>>>>>>> in many minority groups.  They feel that they can't attack the real
>>>>>>>>> enemy that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else
>>>>>>>>> that is "safe" - another one of their own.  In this case, a fellow
>>>>>>>>> blind guide dog user.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any
>>>>>>>>> real mean-spiritedness.  People will get hot at times in
>>>>>>>>> controversial topics and people have strong feelings but not
>>>>>>>>> meanness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing.  We are very
>>>>>>>>> diverse and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my
>>>>>>>>>> dog and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm
>>>>>>>>>> just not going to open my mouth or heart about anything.  My heart
>>>>>>>>>> is too broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the
>>>>>>>>>> second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were
>>>>>>>>>> made against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was
>>>>>>>>>> sent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but
>>>>>>>>>> you won't see me post.  I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid
>>>>>>>>>> to get retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of
>>>>>>>>>> you have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are
>>>>>>>>>>> just being mean, but their words could be considered threatening
>>>>>>>>>>> and she may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the
>>>>>>>>>>> private off
>>>>>>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the
>>>>>>>>>>> GDUI
>>>>>>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list
>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>> guides and
>>>>>>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that
>>>>>>>>>>> she's
>>>>>>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog,"
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have
>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report
>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>> cruel.
>>>>>>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and
>>>>>>>>>>> on. I
>>>>>>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are
>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a
>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further
>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>> sad and
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's
>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribed
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her
>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> sad that
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing
>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has
>>>>>>>>>>>> been said
>>>>>>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to
>>>>>>>>>>>> help her
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would
>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks
>>>>>>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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