[nagdu] an update on my friend

Jennifer Perdue jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 15 14:38:27 UTC 2012 

Thanks for the wonderful information.

I hope things go as well for me as they went for you.  

They were supposed to send me the medical release forms via email so I could sign them and then scan them and email the scanned signed form but I haven't seen it yet.

I'll call them and ask for them to email it again tomorrow.

Jenny
On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Juanita Herrera wrote:

> Hi Jenny,
> I cannot even begin to imagine what you are going through. I do know
> that if something were to happen to my dear Anise I would be
> devastated. However, I can say that I just graduated from GDB three
> months ago, and I had a great experience. I needed additional training
> because I had a dog switch halfway through class, and they sent out my
> instructor to work with me for a week in my home area. They also
> checked on me two months after arriving home, and they have picked up
> my first vet bill because Anise got an ear infection six weeks after
> arriving home. We are now working on getting a new harness for Anise
> because the one she currently has fits her a little too lose, and when
> I contacted graduate services, they were very nice and helpful. I know
> that there are many great schools out there, but since I recently
> graduated from GDB, which is the school you applied for, I thought I'd
> let you know what my experience was like. I know that if you go, you
> will enjoy it there. I went to the Oregon campus, and the instructors
> were great.
> Best,
> Juanita And Anise
> 
> On 4/14/12, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi jenny,
>> i think you shouldn't give up about getting a another guide dog.
>> i will pray for you.
>> i know you are comserned,
>> but there's a special guide dog out there for you.
>> i've felt the same.
>> but i still pulled through it.
>> there are many great school's.
>> that have great support, etc.
>> you will find your match and the school of your choice.
>> good luck about gdb.
>> well, from rhonda.
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> thanks for the information.
>>> 
>>> I'm on the fence about whether I want to apply anywhere.  I applied to
>>> GDB, but I'm just letting it ride for now.
>>> 
>>> I've got some health issues I want to deal with and I was honest with them
>>> and told them that so they said it would be OK for me to take care of
>>> myself first and that wouldn't shut the door on whether I was approved for
>>> a dog.
>>> 
>>> I don't know though.  I don't know how I feel any more.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> This is incorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> Two things:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) If there's ghiardia going around, your dog will probably have pills to
>>>> help with that. Leno had some when I got him.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Even if that doesn't happen, which strikes me as unlikely, the Seeing
>>>> Eye will reimburse vet costs beyond your normal wellness checkups for the
>>>> first year you're with your dog. After that, should something arise, I
>>>> understand they can make no interest loans for very expensive and
>>>> necessary procedures.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> thank you for that perspective.
>>>>> 
>>>>> the only thing that concerns me about that is I know people with dogs
>>>>> that came home with giardia and I don't think TSE helped them with the
>>>>> additional expenses that went along with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't afford to get a dog that turns out to be unhealthy, which
>>>>> happened with Brooks by the way, and then be stuck with high medical
>>>>> bills and food expenses again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's why I chose GDB.  They are willing to help out with things like
>>>>> that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not saying TSE isn't a good school, cause it is.  You just have to
>>>>> be able to afford what ever comes your way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would just say, Jenny, that you are way more apt to hear about the
>>>>>> health issues and things that went wrong with dogs from a school than
>>>>>> those that went right. I had three dogs that were not good matches. I
>>>>>> decided maybe I was not a good user. The guy who came out to work with
>>>>>> me, a wise man indeed, said that sometimes he wonders about the dogs
>>>>>> from there because he sees so many who are having problems, and then he
>>>>>> has to "cry uncle" because he sees the ones with problems and not the
>>>>>> ones that are happy, healthy relationships. I might be wrong, but I'd
>>>>>> bet you could do a learned survey and discover that there is a
>>>>>> considerable amount of health issue from each school. Dogs are live
>>>>>> beings; as such, they are subject to health issues the same as we are,
>>>>>> and there are no guarantees. I am just saying that this wouldn't be the
>>>>>> only thing you would want to look at. You want to look at how they come
>>>>>> by their dogs and what they do about it if there is a health issue; how
>>>>>> long does it take for them to make it right however they must. I
>>>>>> wouldn't be closed minded about a school because you've heard they have
>>>>>> a lot of health issues unless it is in the high percents. Just a
>>>>>> thought you might think on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about
>>>>>>> schools unduly.  But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs
>>>>>>> having health issues and psychological issues way too young.  That is
>>>>>>> the only reason I haven't applied there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh I can't say that.  Southeastern found out really quickly when I
>>>>>>> applied there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me
>>>>>>> nervous to apply there again.  Especially since I've seen so many
>>>>>>> problems with dogs from there from other lists.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I mean no disrespect.  I'm just stating what I've seen.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as
>>>>>>>> they see you.  They do not just see or hear what another school has
>>>>>>>> said and automatically say NO.  They will give all qualified people a
>>>>>>>> chance to prove themselves.  Just be real clear in what you want in a
>>>>>>>> dog so they can make the best match for you.  They realize that
>>>>>>>> problems people have with some previous schools can occur for any
>>>>>>>> reason - bad chemestry between individuals, bad chemestry between
>>>>>>>> handler and dog.  People change schools for all manner of reasons and
>>>>>>>> is not unusual at all.  TSE is very fair.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them.  I
>>>>>>>> personally have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my
>>>>>>>> school, but I also respect people's decisions to attend the school
>>>>>>>> they feel is best for them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Glad you are going to try again.  Like I said, don't let the jerks
>>>>>>>> get you down.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words.  I am going to go
>>>>>>>>> forward with the application process at the school I've chosen.  I
>>>>>>>>> thought about TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern
>>>>>>>>> quickly found out about it and that's when they manipulated me into
>>>>>>>>> going back there.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin
>>>>>>>>> on what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to
>>>>>>>>> deal with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back
>>>>>>>>> to school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth
>>>>>>>>>> guide dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The
>>>>>>>>>> Seeing Eye. I am 61 years old and live in San Diego.  I do pet
>>>>>>>>>> assisted therapy with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party
>>>>>>>>>> club.  I enjoy hanging out with friends, walking, reading, and many
>>>>>>>>>> fun stuff.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused
>>>>>>>>>> you, or know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune
>>>>>>>>>> and I am so sorry about that.  I want you to know that what
>>>>>>>>>> happened to you regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of
>>>>>>>>>> us.  When you deal with living beings there's no guarantees as to
>>>>>>>>>> what will happen with said living beings. Don't beat yourself up
>>>>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that
>>>>>>>>>> caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from
>>>>>>>>>> getting great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on
>>>>>>>>>> what they see for themselves. They come to interview each
>>>>>>>>>> prospective student in person.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the
>>>>>>>>>> early 1970s and they all vary.  I am sure you will find a school
>>>>>>>>>> that meets your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the
>>>>>>>>>> nasty folks get you down.  They are the ones with the problem - not
>>>>>>>>>> you.  This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it
>>>>>>>>>> in many minority groups.  They feel that they can't attack the real
>>>>>>>>>> enemy that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else
>>>>>>>>>> that is "safe" - another one of their own.  In this case, a fellow
>>>>>>>>>> blind guide dog user.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any
>>>>>>>>>> real mean-spiritedness.  People will get hot at times in
>>>>>>>>>> controversial topics and people have strong feelings but not
>>>>>>>>>> meanness.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing.  We are very
>>>>>>>>>> diverse and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my
>>>>>>>>>>> dog and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> just not going to open my mouth or heart about anything.  My heart
>>>>>>>>>>> is too broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the
>>>>>>>>>>> second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were
>>>>>>>>>>> made against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was
>>>>>>>>>>> sent.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but
>>>>>>>>>>> you won't see me post.  I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid
>>>>>>>>>>> to get retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of
>>>>>>>>>>> you have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are
>>>>>>>>>>>> just being mean, but their words could be considered threatening
>>>>>>>>>>>> and she may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> private off
>>>>>>>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GDUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>>> guides and
>>>>>>>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that
>>>>>>>>>>>> she's
>>>>>>>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog,"
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report
>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>> cruel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and
>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>>>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a
>>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further
>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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