[nagdu] an update on my friend

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Sun Apr 15 14:57:02 UTC 2012 

..
  hope it works out for you. hugs.
 hi jenny,
 gdb is a great school..
 i live near the calfornia campus.
 and i heard great stories.

On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Thanks for the wonderful information.
> 
> I hope things go as well for me as they went for you.  
> 
> They were supposed to send me the medical release forms via email so I could sign them and then scan them and email the scanned signed form but I haven't seen it yet.
> 
> I'll call them and ask for them to email it again tomorrow.
> 
> Jenny
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Juanita Herrera wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jenny,
>> I cannot even begin to imagine what you are going through. I do know
>> that if something were to happen to my dear Anise I would be
>> devastated. However, I can say that I just graduated from GDB three
>> months ago, and I had a great experience. I needed additional training
>> because I had a dog switch halfway through class, and they sent out my
>> instructor to work with me for a week in my home area. They also
>> checked on me two months after arriving home, and they have picked up
>> my first vet bill because Anise got an ear infection six weeks after
>> arriving home. We are now working on getting a new harness for Anise
>> because the one she currently has fits her a little too lose, and when
>> I contacted graduate services, they were very nice and helpful. I know
>> that there are many great schools out there, but since I recently
>> graduated from GDB, which is the school you applied for, I thought I'd
>> let you know what my experience was like. I know that if you go, you
>> will enjoy it there. I went to the Oregon campus, and the instructors
>> were great.
>> Best,
>> Juanita And Anise
>> 
>> On 4/14/12, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hi jenny,
>>> i think you shouldn't give up about getting a another guide dog.
>>> i will pray for you.
>>> i know you are comserned,
>>> but there's a special guide dog out there for you.
>>> i've felt the same.
>>> but i still pulled through it.
>>> there are many great school's.
>>> that have great support, etc.
>>> you will find your match and the school of your choice.
>>> good luck about gdb.
>>> well, from rhonda.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
>>>> thanks for the information.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm on the fence about whether I want to apply anywhere.  I applied to
>>>> GDB, but I'm just letting it ride for now.
>>>> 
>>>> I've got some health issues I want to deal with and I was honest with them
>>>> and told them that so they said it would be OK for me to take care of
>>>> myself first and that wouldn't shut the door on whether I was approved for
>>>> a dog.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know though.  I don't know how I feel any more.
>>>> 
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is incorrect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Two things:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) If there's ghiardia going around, your dog will probably have pills to
>>>>> help with that. Leno had some when I got him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Even if that doesn't happen, which strikes me as unlikely, the Seeing
>>>>> Eye will reimburse vet costs beyond your normal wellness checkups for the
>>>>> first year you're with your dog. After that, should something arise, I
>>>>> understand they can make no interest loans for very expensive and
>>>>> necessary procedures.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thank you for that perspective.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the only thing that concerns me about that is I know people with dogs
>>>>>> that came home with giardia and I don't think TSE helped them with the
>>>>>> additional expenses that went along with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't afford to get a dog that turns out to be unhealthy, which
>>>>>> happened with Brooks by the way, and then be stuck with high medical
>>>>>> bills and food expenses again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's why I chose GDB.  They are willing to help out with things like
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not saying TSE isn't a good school, cause it is.  You just have to
>>>>>> be able to afford what ever comes your way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would just say, Jenny, that you are way more apt to hear about the
>>>>>>> health issues and things that went wrong with dogs from a school than
>>>>>>> those that went right. I had three dogs that were not good matches. I
>>>>>>> decided maybe I was not a good user. The guy who came out to work with
>>>>>>> me, a wise man indeed, said that sometimes he wonders about the dogs
>>>>>>> from there because he sees so many who are having problems, and then he
>>>>>>> has to "cry uncle" because he sees the ones with problems and not the
>>>>>>> ones that are happy, healthy relationships. I might be wrong, but I'd
>>>>>>> bet you could do a learned survey and discover that there is a
>>>>>>> considerable amount of health issue from each school. Dogs are live
>>>>>>> beings; as such, they are subject to health issues the same as we are,
>>>>>>> and there are no guarantees. I am just saying that this wouldn't be the
>>>>>>> only thing you would want to look at. You want to look at how they come
>>>>>>> by their dogs and what they do about it if there is a health issue; how
>>>>>>> long does it take for them to make it right however they must. I
>>>>>>> wouldn't be closed minded about a school because you've heard they have
>>>>>>> a lot of health issues unless it is in the high percents. Just a
>>>>>>> thought you might think on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about
>>>>>>>> schools unduly.  But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs
>>>>>>>> having health issues and psychological issues way too young.  That is
>>>>>>>> the only reason I haven't applied there.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh I can't say that.  Southeastern found out really quickly when I
>>>>>>>> applied there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me
>>>>>>>> nervous to apply there again.  Especially since I've seen so many
>>>>>>>> problems with dogs from there from other lists.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I mean no disrespect.  I'm just stating what I've seen.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as
>>>>>>>>> they see you.  They do not just see or hear what another school has
>>>>>>>>> said and automatically say NO.  They will give all qualified people a
>>>>>>>>> chance to prove themselves.  Just be real clear in what you want in a
>>>>>>>>> dog so they can make the best match for you.  They realize that
>>>>>>>>> problems people have with some previous schools can occur for any
>>>>>>>>> reason - bad chemestry between individuals, bad chemestry between
>>>>>>>>> handler and dog.  People change schools for all manner of reasons and
>>>>>>>>> is not unusual at all.  TSE is very fair.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them.  I
>>>>>>>>> personally have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my
>>>>>>>>> school, but I also respect people's decisions to attend the school
>>>>>>>>> they feel is best for them.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Glad you are going to try again.  Like I said, don't let the jerks
>>>>>>>>> get you down.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words.  I am going to go
>>>>>>>>>> forward with the application process at the school I've chosen.  I
>>>>>>>>>> thought about TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>> quickly found out about it and that's when they manipulated me into
>>>>>>>>>> going back there.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin
>>>>>>>>>> on what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to
>>>>>>>>>> deal with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back
>>>>>>>>>> to school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth
>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The
>>>>>>>>>>> Seeing Eye. I am 61 years old and live in San Diego.  I do pet
>>>>>>>>>>> assisted therapy with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party
>>>>>>>>>>> club.  I enjoy hanging out with friends, walking, reading, and many
>>>>>>>>>>> fun stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused
>>>>>>>>>>> you, or know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune
>>>>>>>>>>> and I am so sorry about that.  I want you to know that what
>>>>>>>>>>> happened to you regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of
>>>>>>>>>>> us.  When you deal with living beings there's no guarantees as to
>>>>>>>>>>> what will happen with said living beings. Don't beat yourself up
>>>>>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that
>>>>>>>>>>> caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from
>>>>>>>>>>> getting great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on
>>>>>>>>>>> what they see for themselves. They come to interview each
>>>>>>>>>>> prospective student in person.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the
>>>>>>>>>>> early 1970s and they all vary.  I am sure you will find a school
>>>>>>>>>>> that meets your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the
>>>>>>>>>>> nasty folks get you down.  They are the ones with the problem - not
>>>>>>>>>>> you.  This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it
>>>>>>>>>>> in many minority groups.  They feel that they can't attack the real
>>>>>>>>>>> enemy that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else
>>>>>>>>>>> that is "safe" - another one of their own.  In this case, a fellow
>>>>>>>>>>> blind guide dog user.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any
>>>>>>>>>>> real mean-spiritedness.  People will get hot at times in
>>>>>>>>>>> controversial topics and people have strong feelings but not
>>>>>>>>>>> meanness.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing.  We are very
>>>>>>>>>>> diverse and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> just not going to open my mouth or heart about anything.  My heart
>>>>>>>>>>>> is too broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the
>>>>>>>>>>>> second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were
>>>>>>>>>>>> made against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was
>>>>>>>>>>>> sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> you won't see me post.  I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid
>>>>>>>>>>>> to get retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of
>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just being mean, but their words could be considered threatening
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and she may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> private off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GDUI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cruel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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