[nagdu] an update on my friend
Jennifer Perdue
jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 15 15:05:52 UTC 2012
Thanks for your encouragement.
Jenny
On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:57 AM, rhonda cruz wrote:
> ..
> hope it works out for you. hugs.
> hi jenny,
> gdb is a great school..
> i live near the calfornia campus.
> and i heard great stories.
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the wonderful information.
>>
>> I hope things go as well for me as they went for you.
>>
>> They were supposed to send me the medical release forms via email so I could sign them and then scan them and email the scanned signed form but I haven't seen it yet.
>>
>> I'll call them and ask for them to email it again tomorrow.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Juanita Herrera wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jenny,
>>> I cannot even begin to imagine what you are going through. I do know
>>> that if something were to happen to my dear Anise I would be
>>> devastated. However, I can say that I just graduated from GDB three
>>> months ago, and I had a great experience. I needed additional training
>>> because I had a dog switch halfway through class, and they sent out my
>>> instructor to work with me for a week in my home area. They also
>>> checked on me two months after arriving home, and they have picked up
>>> my first vet bill because Anise got an ear infection six weeks after
>>> arriving home. We are now working on getting a new harness for Anise
>>> because the one she currently has fits her a little too lose, and when
>>> I contacted graduate services, they were very nice and helpful. I know
>>> that there are many great schools out there, but since I recently
>>> graduated from GDB, which is the school you applied for, I thought I'd
>>> let you know what my experience was like. I know that if you go, you
>>> will enjoy it there. I went to the Oregon campus, and the instructors
>>> were great.
>>> Best,
>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>
>>> On 4/14/12, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> hi jenny,
>>>> i think you shouldn't give up about getting a another guide dog.
>>>> i will pray for you.
>>>> i know you are comserned,
>>>> but there's a special guide dog out there for you.
>>>> i've felt the same.
>>>> but i still pulled through it.
>>>> there are many great school's.
>>>> that have great support, etc.
>>>> you will find your match and the school of your choice.
>>>> good luck about gdb.
>>>> well, from rhonda.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the information.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on the fence about whether I want to apply anywhere. I applied to
>>>>> GDB, but I'm just letting it ride for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got some health issues I want to deal with and I was honest with them
>>>>> and told them that so they said it would be OK for me to take care of
>>>>> myself first and that wouldn't shut the door on whether I was approved for
>>>>> a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know though. I don't know how I feel any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) If there's ghiardia going around, your dog will probably have pills to
>>>>>> help with that. Leno had some when I got him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Even if that doesn't happen, which strikes me as unlikely, the Seeing
>>>>>> Eye will reimburse vet costs beyond your normal wellness checkups for the
>>>>>> first year you're with your dog. After that, should something arise, I
>>>>>> understand they can make no interest loans for very expensive and
>>>>>> necessary procedures.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you for that perspective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the only thing that concerns me about that is I know people with dogs
>>>>>>> that came home with giardia and I don't think TSE helped them with the
>>>>>>> additional expenses that went along with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't afford to get a dog that turns out to be unhealthy, which
>>>>>>> happened with Brooks by the way, and then be stuck with high medical
>>>>>>> bills and food expenses again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why I chose GDB. They are willing to help out with things like
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying TSE isn't a good school, cause it is. You just have to
>>>>>>> be able to afford what ever comes your way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would just say, Jenny, that you are way more apt to hear about the
>>>>>>>> health issues and things that went wrong with dogs from a school than
>>>>>>>> those that went right. I had three dogs that were not good matches. I
>>>>>>>> decided maybe I was not a good user. The guy who came out to work with
>>>>>>>> me, a wise man indeed, said that sometimes he wonders about the dogs
>>>>>>>> from there because he sees so many who are having problems, and then he
>>>>>>>> has to "cry uncle" because he sees the ones with problems and not the
>>>>>>>> ones that are happy, healthy relationships. I might be wrong, but I'd
>>>>>>>> bet you could do a learned survey and discover that there is a
>>>>>>>> considerable amount of health issue from each school. Dogs are live
>>>>>>>> beings; as such, they are subject to health issues the same as we are,
>>>>>>>> and there are no guarantees. I am just saying that this wouldn't be the
>>>>>>>> only thing you would want to look at. You want to look at how they come
>>>>>>>> by their dogs and what they do about it if there is a health issue; how
>>>>>>>> long does it take for them to make it right however they must. I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't be closed minded about a school because you've heard they have
>>>>>>>> a lot of health issues unless it is in the high percents. Just a
>>>>>>>> thought you might think on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about
>>>>>>>>> schools unduly. But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs
>>>>>>>>> having health issues and psychological issues way too young. That is
>>>>>>>>> the only reason I haven't applied there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh I can't say that. Southeastern found out really quickly when I
>>>>>>>>> applied there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me
>>>>>>>>> nervous to apply there again. Especially since I've seen so many
>>>>>>>>> problems with dogs from there from other lists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mean no disrespect. I'm just stating what I've seen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as
>>>>>>>>>> they see you. They do not just see or hear what another school has
>>>>>>>>>> said and automatically say NO. They will give all qualified people a
>>>>>>>>>> chance to prove themselves. Just be real clear in what you want in a
>>>>>>>>>> dog so they can make the best match for you. They realize that
>>>>>>>>>> problems people have with some previous schools can occur for any
>>>>>>>>>> reason - bad chemestry between individuals, bad chemestry between
>>>>>>>>>> handler and dog. People change schools for all manner of reasons and
>>>>>>>>>> is not unusual at all. TSE is very fair.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them. I
>>>>>>>>>> personally have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my
>>>>>>>>>> school, but I also respect people's decisions to attend the school
>>>>>>>>>> they feel is best for them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad you are going to try again. Like I said, don't let the jerks
>>>>>>>>>> get you down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words. I am going to go
>>>>>>>>>>> forward with the application process at the school I've chosen. I
>>>>>>>>>>> thought about TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly found out about it and that's when they manipulated me into
>>>>>>>>>>> going back there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin
>>>>>>>>>>> on what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to
>>>>>>>>>>> deal with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back
>>>>>>>>>>> to school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list. I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth
>>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeing Eye. I am 61 years old and live in San Diego. I do pet
>>>>>>>>>>>> assisted therapy with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party
>>>>>>>>>>>> club. I enjoy hanging out with friends, walking, reading, and many
>>>>>>>>>>>> fun stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused
>>>>>>>>>>>> you, or know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I am so sorry about that. I want you to know that what
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to you regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of
>>>>>>>>>>>> us. When you deal with living beings there's no guarantees as to
>>>>>>>>>>>> what will happen with said living beings. Don't beat yourself up
>>>>>>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that
>>>>>>>>>>>> caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they see for themselves. They come to interview each
>>>>>>>>>>>> prospective student in person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the
>>>>>>>>>>>> early 1970s and they all vary. I am sure you will find a school
>>>>>>>>>>>> that meets your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the
>>>>>>>>>>>> nasty folks get you down. They are the ones with the problem - not
>>>>>>>>>>>> you. This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it
>>>>>>>>>>>> in many minority groups. They feel that they can't attack the real
>>>>>>>>>>>> enemy that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is "safe" - another one of their own. In this case, a fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind guide dog user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any
>>>>>>>>>>>> real mean-spiritedness. People will get hot at times in
>>>>>>>>>>>> controversial topics and people have strong feelings but not
>>>>>>>>>>>> meanness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing. We are very
>>>>>>>>>>>> diverse and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just not going to open my mouth or heart about anything. My heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is too broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you won't see me post. I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just being mean, but their words could be considered threatening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and she may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GDUI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cruel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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