[nagdu] walking in to objects

Sun Apr 15 17:22:48 UTC 2012

Oh, Holly does that!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects


>A traffic check is when your dog stops and/or pulls you out of the way if a 
>car is coming toward you.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
>
>> What's a traffic check?  Pilot teaches us how to keep of traffic 
>> ourselves. But, the dogs won't move if you think its time ti go and they 
>> see something you don't.  Also, they will take you around the cars idling 
>> at the light.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>>> Rhonda,
>>> I'm not sure. Does Pilot train them to do traffic checks? We haven't 
>>> come
>>> across any cars that are in our way it seems like...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of rhonda cruz
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:48 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> hanna,
>>> how does princess do with traffic checks?
>>> just wondering.
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hannah,
>>>>
>>>> Can you set up obstacles to practice going around?  When I was training
>>> both Belle and Monty I did this.  I picked things like an empty plastic
>>> trash can, a jacket dropped on the sidewalk, or a trash bag full of 
>>> leaves.
>>> I'd place them so I would know where they were and could praise Monty 
>>> for
>>> going around.  If he didn't the object was the sort that I wouldn't be
>>> injured by running into it.  Although the empty trash can does make a 
>>> load
>>> of noise, which goes a long way in reinforcing the concept to the dog.
>>>>
>>>> If the underlying problem is simply that she needs more practice or 
>>>> more
>>> training this should help.  If the problem is something more serious 
>>> this
>>> approach probably won't make any difference.
>>>>
>>>> All my best,
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 4/14/2012 7:52 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>> Nicole,
>>>>> My trainer usually yells at me to "stop" before Princess walks me in
>>>>> to something. The rest of the people who have been telling me to
>>>>> "give it more time" has not seen her do it though.
>>>>> It seems like it's been happening every couple of weeks or so
>>>>> although it's still pretty random.
>>>>> We are bonding super well, and I know we will become a great team,
>>>>> however I'm not sure what to do at this point because I don't know if
>>>>> this will ever improve since the corrections don't seem to matter to
>>>>> her, and I don't want to get seriously hurt at some point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:35 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Has this trainer seen Princess bump you into things? Have any of the
>>>>> people who keep telling you to give it time seen Princess bump you
>>>>> into things? Is this a somewhat predictable behavior, or does it just
>>> happen at random?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:13 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>> I'm not sure that can happen because I'm so far from Ohio, but they
>>>>>> might let me go back to training. As I've mentioned before, I am
>>>>>> working with a professional dog trainer right now and I'm not sure
>>>>>> what else a trainer from Pilot could do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of rhonda cruz
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:05 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i think you should ask or a trainer. to come out, and work with you,
>>>>>> hanna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juanita,
>>>>>>> It only happened a couple of times during training. I believe that
>>>>>>> is mostly due to walking the same rout over and over again when the
>>>>>>> dogs were being trained. However, I want to travel and I can't have
>>>>>>> a dog that will walk me in to things every new place I go.
>>>>>>> Hugs, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Juanita Herrera
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:19 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>>>> When I first got Anise, she had trouble clearing the right side so
>>>>>>> at first I'd brush up against things, but correcting her firmly
>>>>>>> helped a lot. Also, I only had Anise for 9 days before I went home.
>>>>>>> My instructor said that if she didn't get better at clearing the
>>>>>>> right side they would not send her home with me. I was terrified I
>>>>>>> might have to go back to class. However, by the fifth day my
>>>>>>> instructor and I began to notice significant improvement. They told
>>>>>>> me that they were afraid I wasn't going to be able to take her
>>>>>>> home, but thankfully it all worked out. My question is, if this was
>>>>>>> occurring during training, why did they send her home? I mean, this
>>>>>>> can turn into a dangerous
>>>>>> situation, and your life can be at potential risk.
>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>> Juanita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/13/12, Hannah Chadwick<sparklylicious at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to
>>>>>>>> be a guide dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few
>>>>>>>> things and told me, "it'll take time". I feel like running in to
>>>>>>>> things should not be occurring every couple of weeks...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't
>>>>>>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her
>>>>>>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> tour.
>>>>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>>>>> horrible
>>>>>>> feeling.
>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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