[nagdu] walking in to objects

Hannah Chadwick sparklylicious at gmail.com
Mon Apr 16 04:55:42 UTC 2012 

Juanita,
I've been telling my trainer about the methods I know and Princess knows.
That's what we use during training so I don't think it is the cause.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Juanita Herrera
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:04 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

I'm not sure how Pilot does their training, but if it is a lot different
than GDB's she might be getting confused if a trainer with different methods
is working with her. Not sure if this can be the cause.

On 4/15/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you tina. I must admit that I didn't have any expectations when 
> I got my dog, and I think this happens to new guide dog users. I'm 
> still planning to work with her a few more months and see if she will 
> improve. Let's just hope I don't fall in to or run in to something major
/lol/.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:09 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> Hello Hannah-
> I sympathize with your situation with Princess. It is very difficult 
> to make the decision to either go back to for more training and or to 
> retire the dog due to work and or health issues.
> I am facing this very issue at this moment. I have a 5 year old GSD 
> whose work is exemplary, however, her health is not good at this time. 
> The vet and food costs have become very expensive and she is having a 
> very hard time eliminating. So, I have had to make the difficult 
> decision to retire her and apply for a replacement dog. This decision 
> was not easy for me and because her guide work is excellent it makes 
> the decision even much harder, but I have to do what's in the best 
> interest of the dog as well as myself. These decisions  go along with 
> being a guide dog  user and they are not by any means easy. However, 
> in the end, you have to do what's in the best interest of the dog and 
> what's best for you.  I know that it's tough but I think you need to ask
yourself some questions about what you want in a guide.
> 1. What was your purpose in obtaining a guide?
> 2. What  expectations did you have when you obtained the dog?
> 3. Is the dog meeting your expectations? Why or why not?
> 4. Is the dog enhancing  your travel? Why or why not?
> Hannah, I am not trying to be hard on you, or have you make a 
> decision. I just want you to have a good working relationship with 
> your dog and if you really sit down and honestly answer the above 
> questions, I think you will be comfortable in making a decision one 
> way or the other. Whatever you decide, we're here and will support you 
> in whatever you decide to do. In the end, you are the only one who can 
> make the decisions that concern you and your dog. If you need me, I'm
here. Fill free to write me anytime.
> Warmly:
> Tina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:21 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> Jenny,
> I know how you feel because I've lost many important people in the 
> past 9 or so years. This is a difficult decision and I keep thinking 
> it will get better, and maybe it will or maybe not. I keep telling 
> myself if I try harder and keep at it, it will resolve itself, but I 
> could be wrong. I'm going to keep trying for a few more months and see 
> if there is a pattern, and if nothing resolves, then well I will have to
make my decision.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 7:06 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> I'm not mad at all.  I got him from Southeastern, and I wouldn't 
> recommend them tro my worst enemy.
>
> that kind of heart break of bonding with a dog that probably shouldn't 
> have been issued and have it not work out is the worst feeling in the
world.
>
> I'd rank it up there to losing my husband.
>
> From experience, if your school will not come to you, and you can't 
> trust Princess, my opinion is to let her go now before the bond in 
> your heart becomes even stronger.
>
> She won't be your last guide, and though it may be hard, it's better 
> than you not being able to trust her fully ever, or you getting seriously
hurt.
>
> Please don't think I'm being cruel here.  It's just my opinion.  I 
> just wish I had never taken Brooks home with me, but I didn't know 
> what I was doing and I felt since they had trained him specifically 
> for me, which I just found out they didn't, I took him anyway.  
> Trusting that the school was right, that it would get better and it
didn't.
>
> Pray about it if you pray or think about what you need and not what 
> other people tell you, including me.  This has to be your decision.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Jenny,
>> I'm sorry to hear that you have to retire him so early. I know how 
>> you feel, and I think it's stories like yours and others that have 
>> been making me think about the seriousness and importance of a guide. 
>> I wish I know if Princess will ever get better at it,and I wish I 
>> knew the answer because I already feel super attached to her after a 
>> couple of months. What school did you get your dog from? I know this 
>> shouldn't matter, but it does seem to me that some schools are better 
>> than others. Please don't get mad for thinking I'm trashing schools 
>> because I'm not, but from all the people I've talked to, well...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:25 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the welcome.
>>
>> I worked Brooks for almost exactly three years but a little over.
>>
>> He just stopped wanting to take me around obstacles and with his 
>> right side clearance issues always being a problem even in class, 
>> that just got worse too.  To the degree of almost knocking down a 
>> display at the
> grocery store.
>>
>> He ran me into almost everything and everyone at church the following 
>> day and I knew he was done.  It was going down hill with some warning 
>> signs, but to tell you the truth, he never should've been issued.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I love him more than I can express.  The thing 
>> is, I never fully trusted him because of the right side clearance 
>> issues, and had I corrected for every infraction of that kind.  We 
>> never would've gotten anywhere within a reasonable amount of time.
>>
>> The school told me it would get better but it never did.
>>
>> Trust is a big factor in the relationship between you and your dog.
>>
>> JMO,
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jenny,
>>> Welcome to the list. I haven't been keeping up with all the emails 
>>> so I didn't see yours about retiring your dog. How long did you keep
her?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:30 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>
>>> I'm Jenny, the one who had to retire my guide dog.
>>>
>>> Brooks did that from the beginning too.  He wouldn't clear my right 
>>> side properly from the beginning, even in class.  I was unable to 
>>> trust him fully the entire time I had him and that was a bitter pill 
>>> to
>> swallow.
>>>
>>> If you haven't tried it yet, contact the school and see if they can 
>>> send a trainer out to help you., but I can say from experience 
>>> though, if you don't and can't trust your dog.  You might want to 
>>> consider sending your dog back and getting one you can trust.
>>>
>>> I know now, having been through it with Brooks, I would've and 
>>> should've done that in the beginning, but wanted to try and work 
>>> through
>> it.
>>> Unfortunately though, some things you just can't work through.
>>>
>>> JMO,
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that 
>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't 
>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her 
>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
> tour.
>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I 
>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted 
>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I 
>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a 
>>>> horrible
>> feeling.
>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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