[nagdu] walking in to objects

Mon Apr 16 05:37:12 UTC 2012

Oh, ok. I just wanted to make sure that she wasn't totally confused. I
really hope you guys can come up to a resolution soon.

On 4/15/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Juanita,
> I've been telling my trainer about the methods I know and Princess knows.
> That's what we use during training so I don't think it is the cause.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Juanita Herrera
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> I'm not sure how Pilot does their training, but if it is a lot different
> than GDB's she might be getting confused if a trainer with different methods
> is working with her. Not sure if this can be the cause.
>
> On 4/15/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you tina. I must admit that I didn't have any expectations when
>> I got my dog, and I think this happens to new guide dog users. I'm
>> still planning to work with her a few more months and see if she will
>> improve. Let's just hope I don't fall in to or run in to something major
> /lol/.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:09 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Hello Hannah-
>> I sympathize with your situation with Princess. It is very difficult
>> to make the decision to either go back to for more training and or to
>> retire the dog due to work and or health issues.
>> I am facing this very issue at this moment. I have a 5 year old GSD
>> whose work is exemplary, however, her health is not good at this time.
>> The vet and food costs have become very expensive and she is having a
>> very hard time eliminating. So, I have had to make the difficult
>> decision to retire her and apply for a replacement dog. This decision
>> was not easy for me and because her guide work is excellent it makes
>> the decision even much harder, but I have to do what's in the best
>> interest of the dog as well as myself. These decisions  go along with
>> being a guide dog  user and they are not by any means easy. However,
>> in the end, you have to do what's in the best interest of the dog and
>> what's best for you.  I know that it's tough but I think you need to ask
> yourself some questions about what you want in a guide.
>> 1. What was your purpose in obtaining a guide?
>> 2. What  expectations did you have when you obtained the dog?
>> 3. Is the dog meeting your expectations? Why or why not?
>> 4. Is the dog enhancing  your travel? Why or why not?
>> Hannah, I am not trying to be hard on you, or have you make a
>> decision. I just want you to have a good working relationship with
>> your dog and if you really sit down and honestly answer the above
>> questions, I think you will be comfortable in making a decision one
>> way or the other. Whatever you decide, we're here and will support you
>> in whatever you decide to do. In the end, you are the only one who can
>> make the decisions that concern you and your dog. If you need me, I'm
> here. Fill free to write me anytime.
>> Warmly:
>> Tina
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:21 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Jenny,
>> I know how you feel because I've lost many important people in the
>> past 9 or so years. This is a difficult decision and I keep thinking
>> it will get better, and maybe it will or maybe not. I keep telling
>> myself if I try harder and keep at it, it will resolve itself, but I
>> could be wrong. I'm going to keep trying for a few more months and see
>> if there is a pattern, and if nothing resolves, then well I will have to
> make my decision.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 7:06 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> I'm not mad at all.  I got him from Southeastern, and I wouldn't
>> recommend them tro my worst enemy.
>>
>> that kind of heart break of bonding with a dog that probably shouldn't
>> have been issued and have it not work out is the worst feeling in the
> world.
>>
>> I'd rank it up there to losing my husband.
>>
>> From experience, if your school will not come to you, and you can't
>> trust Princess, my opinion is to let her go now before the bond in
>> your heart becomes even stronger.
>>
>> She won't be your last guide, and though it may be hard, it's better
>> than you not being able to trust her fully ever, or you getting seriously
> hurt.
>>
>> Please don't think I'm being cruel here.  It's just my opinion.  I
>> just wish I had never taken Brooks home with me, but I didn't know
>> what I was doing and I felt since they had trained him specifically
>> for me, which I just found out they didn't, I took him anyway.
>> Trusting that the school was right, that it would get better and it
> didn't.
>>
>> Pray about it if you pray or think about what you need and not what
>> other people tell you, including me.  This has to be your decision.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Jenny,
>>> I'm sorry to hear that you have to retire him so early. I know how
>>> you feel, and I think it's stories like yours and others that have
>>> been making me think about the seriousness and importance of a guide.
>>> I wish I know if Princess will ever get better at it,and I wish I
>>> knew the answer because I already feel super attached to her after a
>>> couple of months. What school did you get your dog from? I know this
>>> shouldn't matter, but it does seem to me that some schools are better
>>> than others. Please don't get mad for thinking I'm trashing schools
>>> because I'm not, but from all the people I've talked to, well...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:25 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome.
>>>
>>> I worked Brooks for almost exactly three years but a little over.
>>>
>>> He just stopped wanting to take me around obstacles and with his
>>> right side clearance issues always being a problem even in class,
>>> that just got worse too.  To the degree of almost knocking down a
>>> display at the
>> grocery store.
>>>
>>> He ran me into almost everything and everyone at church the following
>>> day and I knew he was done.  It was going down hill with some warning
>>> signs, but to tell you the truth, he never should've been issued.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I love him more than I can express.  The thing
>>> is, I never fully trusted him because of the right side clearance
>>> issues, and had I corrected for every infraction of that kind.  We
>>> never would've gotten anywhere within a reasonable amount of time.
>>>
>>> The school told me it would get better but it never did.
>>>
>>> Trust is a big factor in the relationship between you and your dog.
>>>
>>> JMO,
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>> Welcome to the list. I haven't been keeping up with all the emails
>>>> so I didn't see yours about retiring your dog. How long did you keep
> her?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>
>>>> I'm Jenny, the one who had to retire my guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> Brooks did that from the beginning too.  He wouldn't clear my right
>>>> side properly from the beginning, even in class.  I was unable to
>>>> trust him fully the entire time I had him and that was a bitter pill
>>>> to
>>> swallow.
>>>>
>>>> If you haven't tried it yet, contact the school and see if they can
>>>> send a trainer out to help you., but I can say from experience
>>>> though, if you don't and can't trust your dog.  You might want to
>>>> consider sending your dog back and getting one you can trust.
>>>>
>>>> I know now, having been through it with Brooks, I would've and
>>>> should've done that in the beginning, but wanted to try and work
>>>> through
>>> it.
>>>> Unfortunately though, some things you just can't work through.
>>>>
>>>> JMO,
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't
>>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her
>>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>> tour.
>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>> horrible
>>> feeling.
>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
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