[nagdu] walking in to objects

Fri Apr 20 01:59:21 UTC 2012

Lea,
I don't believe the sun was out much over the weekend. It's definitely an
idea that I haven't thought of though and I'll make sure to keep this in
mind next time it happens.
Gary,
I think all dogs want to get on top of each other. It's probably some sort
of doggy/animal instinct; it probably happens to most male dogs though. We
have a little pet dog at home that loves to hump things lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lea williams
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:10 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

Hannah, is this going on during a time when maybe it is really sunny and the
sun is reflecting in such a way that maybe the poles are hard to see? i am
not sure if this could be it but i just thought that it could be an issue.
The light could be bouncing off the poles and making them almost invisible.
IDK.

On 4/19/12, GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Hana:
>
> When I was training with Bogart, a poodle, we had a couple of 
> situations where he ran me into things. Partly it was because his 
> trainer was quite a bit smaller than me. Bogart had to learn my 
> clearance. Wehn we were home there were a couple of things he 
> misjudged. One was the corner of a bus top bench (right in the knee, 
> ouch!). Another was a tap jutting out from a building. When it is 
> raining Bogart likes to hug buildings to try to avoid getting us wet. 
> That one would have been hard to see but we did rework it once. I'm 
> trying to honestly think if he does other things. There is the odd 
> brushing of things but I equate  that mostly to me not following as well
as I should.
>
> People are his issue. giving clearnace or, if we're behind  someone he 
> will go up behind them and get me too close before he pulls out to 
> pass which can have me stepping on them. Very embarrassing and if it 
> is my girlfriend dangerous to my health. :)
>
> Certainly call them. There is nothing better than talking to a person 
> where they can hear how you feel. I had just called my school to see 
> if my idea of dealing with bogart's habit of mounting dogs in  off 
> leash dog parks was suitable. It is really embarassing when he does 
> this and other people get annoyed. People think it is a sexual thing 
> when I'm pretty sure it is just a dominant thing. Not good either. Of 
> course, it's usually macho guys with their macho type of dogs that allow
this to happen.
>
> Good luck
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least via 
>> email.
>> Guess I'll have to call them now...
>> The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is being 
>> set up to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get 
>> lots of praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to 
>> something, and it seems to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem 
>> to find any pattern to this though, so my best guess is that she 
>> can't figure out how much space to give so we can both go through 
>> safely.
>> I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts and 
>> see if there are certain things she cannot see.
>> Thank you, Hannah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct training 
>> support I'd have her work the polls in the familiar area until she 
>> was working them in such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.  
>> Then I'd gradually introduce new areas with similar arrangements and 
>> be sure she treated those areas in the same way.  Some dogs are 
>> better at generalizing than others, but this would be like her 
>> stopping at a curb in one part of town and blowing it in another.  
>> Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which is why I'd do as 
>> others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex guide dog 
>> trainers is wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's 
>> happening, if nothing else than to make a note in your file.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>> TOMORROW!!
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>> > I'm willing to work things out in this working out process,
>> but I'm not
>> > willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to
>> do this in
>> > unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if
>> it's areas
>> > that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll
>> improve. The
>> > thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are bnot
>> familiar and
>> > and
>> > those are the times I walk in to something, it's usually a
>> pole. I don't
>> > find anything unusual in places that Princess seems to have
>> trouble with.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> > Of Lisa belville
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >
>> > I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out
>> process
>> > that
>> > both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not
>> trying to dismiss
>> > the
>> > concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when you 
>> > think everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected like
>> that.  I
>> > agree
>> > with others who suggest setting Princess up in your own
>> area.  Can you
>> > arrange things so that they look as much like the troubled
>> area as
>> > possible?
>> >
>> > if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might
>> not be her so
>> > much as it is something odd looking about the place that she
>> doesn't like.
>> > It could be a difference in the color and texture of the
>> concrete or
>> > something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
>> >
>> >
>> > 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be
>> done . . .
>> > TOMORROW!!
>> > Lisa Belville
>> > missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >
>> >
>> >> Lisa,
>> >> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple
>> of weeks is
>> >> pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they
>> have to have
>> >> room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to
>> something are
>> >> when
>> >> there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she does it in
>> unfamiliar>> areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I can't go
>> back to the places
>> >> she
>> >> walked me in to things because those are areas I don't often
>> go to; for
>> >> example a college I was visiting.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Lisa belville
>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >>
>> >> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can
>> you arrange to
>> >> come
>> >> to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be
>> done . . .
>> >> TOMORROW!!
>> >> Lisa Belville
>> >> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used
>> to be a
>> >>>guide
>> >>> dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things
>> and told me,
>> >>> "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>> not be
>> >>> occurring
>> >>> every couple of weeks...
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >>>
>> >>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'"
>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hey all,
>> >>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know
>> that
>> >>>> Princess
>> >>>> shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know
>> what to do
>> >>>> any
>> >>>> more because I don't feel like correcting her is enough and
>> that after
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> while she forgets about it altogether.
>> >>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we
>> went on a
>> >>>> tour.
>> >>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as
>> usually I
>> >>>> corrected
>> >>>> her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>> about it, and
>> >>>> it's
>> >>>> getting more difficult for me to trust her. I don't feel
>> safe walking
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> night or in the dark now, and it's a horrible feeling.
>> >>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>> >>>> Best, Hannah
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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