[nagdu] walking in to objects

Doug Parisian eggmann at shaw.ca
Fri Apr 20 02:41:22 UTC 2012 

So, if you had a male dog who didn't hump, would you call him HumpFree?

Doug: dealing with life's most important issues?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects


> Lea,
> I don't believe the sun was out much over the weekend. It's definitely an
> idea that I haven't thought of though and I'll make sure to keep this in
> mind next time it happens.
> Gary,
> I think all dogs want to get on top of each other. It's probably some sort
> of doggy/animal instinct; it probably happens to most male dogs though. We
> have a little pet dog at home that loves to hump things lol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lea williams
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> Hannah, is this going on during a time when maybe it is really sunny and 
> the
> sun is reflecting in such a way that maybe the poles are hard to see? i am
> not sure if this could be it but i just thought that it could be an issue.
> The light could be bouncing off the poles and making them almost 
> invisible.
> IDK.
>
> On 4/19/12, GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hana:
>>
>> When I was training with Bogart, a poodle, we had a couple of
>> situations where he ran me into things. Partly it was because his
>> trainer was quite a bit smaller than me. Bogart had to learn my
>> clearance. Wehn we were home there were a couple of things he
>> misjudged. One was the corner of a bus top bench (right in the knee,
>> ouch!). Another was a tap jutting out from a building. When it is
>> raining Bogart likes to hug buildings to try to avoid getting us wet.
>> That one would have been hard to see but we did rework it once. I'm
>> trying to honestly think if he does other things. There is the odd
>> brushing of things but I equate  that mostly to me not following as well
> as I should.
>>
>> People are his issue. giving clearnace or, if we're behind  someone he
>> will go up behind them and get me too close before he pulls out to
>> pass which can have me stepping on them. Very embarrassing and if it
>> is my girlfriend dangerous to my health. :)
>>
>> Certainly call them. There is nothing better than talking to a person
>> where they can hear how you feel. I had just called my school to see
>> if my idea of dealing with bogart's habit of mounting dogs in  off
>> leash dog parks was suitable. It is really embarassing when he does
>> this and other people get annoyed. People think it is a sexual thing
>> when I'm pretty sure it is just a dominant thing. Not good either. Of
>> course, it's usually macho guys with their macho type of dogs that allow
> this to happen.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:16 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
>>> I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least via
>>> email.
>>> Guess I'll have to call them now...
>>> The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is being
>>> set up to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get
>>> lots of praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to
>>> something, and it seems to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem
>>> to find any pattern to this though, so my best guess is that she
>>> can't figure out how much space to give so we can both go through
>>> safely.
>>> I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts and
>>> see if there are certain things she cannot see.
>>> Thank you, Hannah
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct training
>>> support I'd have her work the polls in the familiar area until she
>>> was working them in such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.
>>> Then I'd gradually introduce new areas with similar arrangements and
>>> be sure she treated those areas in the same way.  Some dogs are
>>> better at generalizing than others, but this would be like her
>>> stopping at a curb in one part of town and blowing it in another.
>>> Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which is why I'd do as
>>> others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex guide dog
>>> trainers is wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's
>>> happening, if nothing else than to make a note in your file.
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>> TOMORROW!!
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'm willing to work things out in this working out process,
>>> but I'm not
>>> > willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to
>>> do this in
>>> > unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if
>>> it's areas
>>> > that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll
>>> improve. The
>>> > thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are bnot
>>> familiar and
>>> > and
>>> > those are the times I walk in to something, it's usually a
>>> pole. I don't
>>> > find anything unusual in places that Princess seems to have
>>> trouble with.
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> > Of Lisa belville
>>> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
>>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >
>>> > I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out
>>> process
>>> > that
>>> > both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not
>>> trying to dismiss
>>> > the
>>> > concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when you
>>> > think everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected like
>>> that.  I
>>> > agree
>>> > with others who suggest setting Princess up in your own
>>> area.  Can you
>>> > arrange things so that they look as much like the troubled
>>> area as
>>> > possible?
>>> >
>>> > if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might
>>> not be her so
>>> > much as it is something odd looking about the place that she
>>> doesn't like.
>>> > It could be a difference in the color and texture of the
>>> concrete or
>>> > something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be
>>> done . . .
>>> > TOMORROW!!
>>> > Lisa Belville
>>> > missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'"> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Lisa,
>>> >> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple
>>> of weeks is
>>> >> pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they
>>> have to have
>>> >> room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to
>>> something are
>>> >> when
>>> >> there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she does it in
>>> unfamiliar>> areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I can't go
>>> back to the places
>>> >> she
>>> >> walked me in to things because those are areas I don't often
>>> go to; for
>>> >> example a college I was visiting.
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> Of Lisa belville
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
>>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> >> Users
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can
>>> you arrange to
>>> >> come
>>> >> to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be
>>> done . . .
>>> >> TOMORROW!!
>>> >> Lisa Belville
>>> >> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users'"
>>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used
>>> to be a
>>> >>>guide
>>> >>> dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things
>>> and told me,
>>> >>> "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>>> not be
>>> >>> occurring
>>> >>> every couple of weeks...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> >>> Behalf
>>> >>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users'"
>>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hey all,
>>> >>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know
>>> that
>>> >>>> Princess
>>> >>>> shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know
>>> what to do
>>> >>>> any
>>> >>>> more because I don't feel like correcting her is enough and
>>> that after
>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>> while she forgets about it altogether.
>>> >>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we
>>> went on a
>>> >>>> tour.
>>> >>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as
>>> usually I
>>> >>>> corrected
>>> >>>> her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>> about it, and
>>> >>>> it's
>>> >>>> getting more difficult for me to trust her. I don't feel
>>> safe walking
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> night or in the dark now, and it's a horrible feeling.
>>> >>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>> >>>> Best, Hannah
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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