[nagdu] walking in to objects

Fri Apr 20 12:56:05 UTC 2012

        Have you had the vet do a thyroid check and a doggy opthomologist check her vision?

Your emails to the list are very clear. What is Pilot saying?

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:15 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least via email.
Guess I'll have to call them now...
The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is being set up
to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get lots of
praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to something, and it seems
to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem to find any pattern to this
though, so my best guess is that she can't figure out how much space to give
so we can both go through safely.
I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts and see if
there are certain things she cannot see.
Thank you, Hannah

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lisa belville
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct training support I'd
have her work the polls in the familiar area until she was working them in
such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.  Then I'd gradually introduce
new areas with similar arrangements and be sure she treated those areas in
the same way.  Some dogs are better at generalizing than others, but this
would be like her stopping at a curb in one part of town and blowing it in
another.  Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which is why I'd do as
others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex guide dog trainers is
wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's happening, if nothing
else than to make a note in your file.

Lisa

1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
TOMORROW!!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

> I'm willing to work things out in this working out process, but I'm not
> willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to do this in
> unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if it's areas
> that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll improve. The
> thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are bnot familiar and
> and
> those are the times I walk in to something, it's usually a pole. I don't
> find anything unusual in places that Princess seems to have trouble with.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lisa belville
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out process
> that
> both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not trying to dismiss
> the
> concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when you think
> everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected like that.  I
> agree
> with others who suggest setting Princess up in your own area.  Can you
> arrange things so that they look as much like the troubled area as
> possible?
>
> if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might not be her so
> much as it is something odd looking about the place that she doesn't like.
> It could be a difference in the color and texture of the concrete or
> something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
>
>
> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
> TOMORROW!!
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
>
>> Lisa,
>> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple of weeks is
>> pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they have to have
>> room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to something are
>> when
>> there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she does it in unfamiliar
>> areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I can't go back to the places
>> she
>> walked me in to things because those are areas I don't often go to; for
>> example a college I was visiting.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Lisa belville
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can you arrange to
>> come
>> to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
>>
>>
>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>> TOMORROW!!
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>>>I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>>guide
>>> dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and told me,
>>> "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should not be
>>> occurring
>>> every couple of weeks...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>> Princess
>>>> shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know what to do
>>>> any
>>>> more because I don't feel like correcting her is enough and that after
>>>> a
>>>> while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>>> tour.
>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>> corrected
>>>> her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted about it, and
>>>> it's
>>>> getting more difficult for me to trust her. I don't feel safe walking
>>>> at
>>>> night or in the dark now, and it's a horrible feeling.
>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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