[nagdu] walking in to objects

Fri Apr 20 18:56:53 UTC 2012

Lea,

I was just thinking that about your post. Great minds...

Good luck with your new partner. It's coming soon, isn't it? Sorry, but 
so many people are getting new dogs lately, I keep losing track of who 
is where in the process.

Best,

Tami

On 04/20/2012 11:44 AM, Lea williams wrote:
> Tami, you said what I wanted to so much better. lol
>
> On 4/20/12, Lea williams<leanicole1988 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Tracy, I agree with you, but if there is something wrong then maybe
>> once it is figured out then the issue could be fixed. It  might be a
>> behavior issue, or it might just be a medical one.
>> I would feel aweful if I gave up on my dog so quickly when it wasn't a
>> lack of training but something that was fixible once figured out.
>> I also think that Hanna is really wanting this to work out and doesn't
>> want to give up on Prinsess so quickly, I think that Hanna will do her
>> best to try to fix this issue with her guide before just throwing in
>> the towl. I see Hanna as a fighter and doesn't give up, she is going
>> to go really far in life with that attidute. I also believe that Hanna
>> will know when it is time to give up if the problems are not able to
>> be resolved.
>> I hope you figure things out Hanna. It might just be time that she
>> needs, or maybe not. You are the best person to decide what you should
>> do next. I hope we have all been able to help you and anyone else. I
>> know I will be coming here to once I get my dog and I hope I get as
>> good of a support like Hanna has.
>>
>> On 4/20/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>  wrote:
>>> Very good.
>>> Schedule a thyroid check while you're on that bandwagon.
>>> And make Pilot respond to you.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Hannah Chadwick
>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:34 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Rebecca,
>>> I just registered for the free service animal eye exam and she'll get
>>> checked out in the middle of May.
>>> I seriously need to call Pilot because they aren't answering my emails.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:56 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>          Have you had the vet do a thyroid check and a doggy opthomologist
>>> check her vision?
>>>
>>> Your emails to the list are very clear. What is Pilot saying?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Hannah Chadwick
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:15 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least via email.
>>> Guess I'll have to call them now...
>>> The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is being set
>>> up
>>> to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get lots of
>>> praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to something, and it
>>> seems
>>> to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem to find any pattern to this
>>> though, so my best guess is that she can't figure out how much space to
>>> give
>>> so we can both go through safely.
>>> I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts and see
>>> if
>>> there are certain things she cannot see.
>>> Thank you, Hannah
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Lisa belville
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct training support
>>> I'd
>>> have her work the polls in the familiar area until she was working them
>>> in
>>> such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.  Then I'd gradually
>>> introduce
>>> new areas with similar arrangements and be sure she treated those areas
>>> in
>>> the same way.  Some dogs are better at generalizing than others, but this
>>> would be like her stopping at a curb in one part of town and blowing it
>>> in
>>> another.  Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which is why I'd do
>>> as
>>> others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex guide dog trainers
>>> is
>>> wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's happening, if
>>> nothing
>>> else than to make a note in your file.
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>> TOMORROW!!
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm willing to work things out in this working out process, but I'm
>>>> not willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to do
>>>> this in unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if
>>>> it's areas that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll
>>>> improve. The thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are
>>>> bnot familiar and and those are the times I walk in to something, it's
>>>> usually a pole. I don't find anything unusual in places that Princess
>>>> seems to have trouble with.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out process
>>>> that both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not trying to
>>>> dismiss the concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when
>>>> you think everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected
>>>> like that.  I agree with others who suggest setting Princess up in
>>>> your own area.  Can you arrange things so that they look as much like
>>>> the troubled area as possible?
>>>>
>>>> if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might not be
>>>> her so much as it is something odd looking about the place that she
>>> doesn't like.
>>>> It could be a difference in the color and texture of the concrete or
>>>> something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>>> TOMORROW!!
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple of weeks
>>>>> is pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they have
>>>>> to have room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to
>>>>> something are when there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she
>>>>> does it in unfamiliar areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I
>>>>> can't go back to the places she walked me in to things because those
>>>>> are areas I don't often go to; for example a college I was visiting.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can you arrange
>>>>> to come to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>>>> TOMORROW!!
>>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>>>>> guide  dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and
>>>>>> told me,  "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>>>>>> not be  occurring  every couple of weeks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't
>>>>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her
>>>>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>>>>>> tour.
>>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>>> horrible feeling.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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