[nagdu] walking in to objects

Fri Apr 20 18:44:55 UTC 2012

Tami, you said what I wanted to so much better. lol

On 4/20/12, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tracy, I agree with you, but if there is something wrong then maybe
> once it is figured out then the issue could be fixed. It  might be a
> behavior issue, or it might just be a medical one.
> I would feel aweful if I gave up on my dog so quickly when it wasn't a
> lack of training but something that was fixible once figured out.
> I also think that Hanna is really wanting this to work out and doesn't
> want to give up on Prinsess so quickly, I think that Hanna will do her
> best to try to fix this issue with her guide before just throwing in
> the towl. I see Hanna as a fighter and doesn't give up, she is going
> to go really far in life with that attidute. I also believe that Hanna
> will know when it is time to give up if the problems are not able to
> be resolved.
> I hope you figure things out Hanna. It might just be time that she
> needs, or maybe not. You are the best person to decide what you should
> do next. I hope we have all been able to help you and anyone else. I
> know I will be coming here to once I get my dog and I hope I get as
> good of a support like Hanna has.
>
> On 4/20/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>> Very good.
>> Schedule a thyroid check while you're on that bandwagon.
>> And make Pilot respond to you.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Hannah Chadwick
>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:34 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Rebecca,
>> I just registered for the free service animal eye exam and she'll get
>> checked out in the middle of May.
>> I seriously need to call Pilot because they aren't answering my emails.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:56 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>         Have you had the vet do a thyroid check and a doggy opthomologist
>> check her vision?
>>
>> Your emails to the list are very clear. What is Pilot saying?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Hannah Chadwick
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:15 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least via email.
>> Guess I'll have to call them now...
>> The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is being set
>> up
>> to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get lots of
>> praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to something, and it
>> seems
>> to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem to find any pattern to this
>> though, so my best guess is that she can't figure out how much space to
>> give
>> so we can both go through safely.
>> I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts and see
>> if
>> there are certain things she cannot see.
>> Thank you, Hannah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Lisa belville
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct training support
>> I'd
>> have her work the polls in the familiar area until she was working them
>> in
>> such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.  Then I'd gradually
>> introduce
>> new areas with similar arrangements and be sure she treated those areas
>> in
>> the same way.  Some dogs are better at generalizing than others, but this
>> would be like her stopping at a curb in one part of town and blowing it
>> in
>> another.  Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which is why I'd do
>> as
>> others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex guide dog trainers
>> is
>> wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's happening, if
>> nothing
>> else than to make a note in your file.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>> TOMORROW!!
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>>> I'm willing to work things out in this working out process, but I'm
>>> not willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to do
>>> this in unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if
>>> it's areas that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll
>>> improve. The thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are
>>> bnot familiar and and those are the times I walk in to something, it's
>>> usually a pole. I don't find anything unusual in places that Princess
>>> seems to have trouble with.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out process
>>> that both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not trying to
>>> dismiss the concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when
>>> you think everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected
>>> like that.  I agree with others who suggest setting Princess up in
>>> your own area.  Can you arrange things so that they look as much like
>>> the troubled area as possible?
>>>
>>> if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might not be
>>> her so much as it is something odd looking about the place that she
>> doesn't like.
>>> It could be a difference in the color and texture of the concrete or
>>> something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>> TOMORROW!!
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lisa,
>>>> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple of weeks
>>>> is pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they have
>>>> to have room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to
>>>> something are when there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she
>>>> does it in unfamiliar areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I
>>>> can't go back to the places she walked me in to things because those
>>>> are areas I don't often go to; for example a college I was visiting.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Lisa belville
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can you arrange
>>>> to come to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>>> TOMORROW!!
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>>>>guide  dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and
>>>>>told me,  "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>>>>>not be  occurring  every couple of weeks...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't
>>>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her
>>>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>>>>> tour.
>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>> horrible feeling.
>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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