[nagdu] guide dogs of Texas, was Re: GDF and NAGDU conventions

Melissa Padron fuzzylucky2021 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Apr 23 16:13:14 UTC 2012 

Hello,
I'm from San Antonio and I've volunteered at Guide Dogs of Texas. I think they started in 1989. They just started their own breeding program. I think they are on their second or third litter. A majority of their dogs are labs. 

Melissa 

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On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Laurel <laurel.stockard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Lyn,
> I'm not Jeanine, but I can tell you that this school is in San
> Antonio. They only serve people who live in Texas and they've been
> around since the mid 90s I think, I don't know the exact year. I don't
> know exactly how many teams they graduate per year, but the last
> number I've heard was 12 to 20. Hope that helps answer your question.
> Laurel and Stockard
> 
> On 4/23/12, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
>> Janine,
>> Where is Guide Dogs of Texas?  When was it founded?  I haven't heard about
>> that one.  Anyone on the list go there?  what breeds do they use?
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the explanation, since GDF is the only school that I know of
>>> 
>>> personally.
>>> We remember that!
>>> See you at convention!
>>> 
>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>> 
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
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>>>> From: jeninems at wowway.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:07:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>> 
>>>> Cheryl,
>>>> 
>>>> Technically, GDF is considered a smaller school. We graduate around 100
>>>> teams per year, more if you count the service dog teams which brings the
>>>> total to around 120 or so.
>>>> 
>>>> We have a smaller training staff, a smaller administrative staff and
>>>> hence
>>>> less ability to go to conferences and such.
>>>> 
>>>> The "large schools" include The Seeing Eye, Guide Dogs for the Blind,
>>>> Guiding Eyes  and Leader Dogs which all have over 150 teams graduated
>>>> per
>>>> year and larger training and administrative staffs.
>>>> 
>>>> These days we're probably in that middle category of schools along with
>>>> Pilot dogs and Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> The truly small schools include Guide Dogs of America, Guide Dogs of the
>>>> Desert, Fidelco and the other very small ones out there such as Guide
>>>> Dogs
>>>> of Texas.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of cheryl echevarria
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn:
>>>> John was there last year at convention, nice man.
>>>> Also, GDF is one of the larger schools.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>> 
>>>> For daily updates read our blog at
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>>>> 
>>>>> From: linda.gwizdak at cox.net
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:20:55 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jenine,
>>>>> I don't know why we still squabble about what organization prefers
>>>>> whatever other organization still goes on.  Here we are, in a time of
>>>>> economic decline and at risk for losing everything we've gained for
>>>>> the last 50 years, and we can find nothing to put energy into except
>>>>> to complain that X Group doesn't like Y Group.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've never seen either the NFB or the ACB show preference for any
>>>>> particular schools.  Many schools can't afford to send people to both
>>>>> conventions anymore or do the programs or events they did in the past.
>>>>> I would have no idea as to schools prefering one blindness
>>>>> organization over another one - guide dog users are guide dog users no
>>>> matter if they belong to NFB or ACB.
>>>>> No matter which organization we belong to, we still love our dogs the
>>>> same.
>>>>> And the schools do what they can to outreach to us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like to see outreach at the conventions but I'd also like to see
>>>>> resources being used for the guide dog school programs themselves. GDF
>>>>> has always been a smaller school so has always been less able to send
>>>>> reps to conventions like the larger schools do.  Even TSE has cut back
>>>>> on things.  I got my first two dogs from GDF when John Byfield was
>>>>> there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 8:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> HI Cheryl,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm answering this in my official capacity as the GDF Consumer
>>>>>> Relations Coordinator.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First off, GDF has no bias toward any consumer organization. I've
>>>>>> heard this rumor about various schools since I began looking at them
>>>>>> in 1987.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It so happens that several members of the current GDf Alumni Council
>>>>>> are either NFB and/or NAGDU members and will be present at this
>>>>>> year's convention assisting us. The number of graduates who do claim
>>>>>> affiliation with NAGDU voluntarily has grown significantly since
>>>>>> 2008. I'm quite proud of that actually and enjoy the NFB and NAGDU
>>>> conventions tremendously.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As with all non-profit organizations, this is a difficult economic
>>>>>> time.
>>>> 
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> simply cannot afford the types of events we used to have for
>>>>>> graduates and prospective students. Other schools have also cut back
>>>>>> their events at national conventions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I find it very powerful that though we no longer have these events,
>>>>>> our graduate force within NAGDU has grown so much. I thank everyone
>>>>>> for that and for learning about us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I again look forward to coming to the NAGDU convention and
>>>>>> introducing our Alumni Council.
>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>> Consumer Relations Coordinator
>>>>>> Guide Dog Foundation and America's VetDogs jenine at guidedog.org
>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:37 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork and
>>>>>> convention
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good morning all:
>>>>>> I have noticed over the years as being a graduate of GDF, that there
>>>>>> have been less and less graduates at convention. I also noticed on
>>>>>> the GDF List, and I am no longer on there, I just decided to much is
>>>>>> to much.
>>>>>> But I noticed that I was the only NAGDU member or NFB Member, I knew
>>>>>> Lisa was on here a few times, and Marilyn Tucci is on here now, etc,
>>>>>> as well as some others.  But I don't want to put foot in mouth here,
>>>>>> but I had mentioned this to our President before, President
>>>>>> Gwizdala, that I felt that the school was a lot GDUI and ACB then
>>>>>> anything else. I know schools are not supposed to be biased, but I
>>>>>> felt that from the beginning.  I have nothing against the other
>>>>>> organization at all, I am just a member of NFB and NAGDU, my choice!
>>>>>> What does this have to do with losing paperwork, nothing.
>>>>>> But with Convention only a few short months away, maybe this is
>>>>>> something that can be brought up at convention, when we have opened
>>>>>> Q&A
>>>> with GDF.
>>>>>> Also, I have noticed as well, that at conventions many of the
>>>>>> schools have an event for the graduates, GDF used to take it's grads
>>>>>> to lunch or anyone interested in learning more about GDF was
>>>>>> invited.
>>>>>> GDF hasn't done this since our last Convention in Dallas, when
>>>>>> Nelson and I were there in, 2008.
>>>>>> JMO!
>>>>>> Cheryl and Maxx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:19:56 -0700
>>>>>>> From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hello lisa.
>>>>>>> i think you should keep on speeking up. and makeing lots of
>>>>>>> nouise.
>>>>>>> that's the only way.
>>>>>>> to get what you want.
>>>>>>> i hope it all works out.
>>>>>>> *hugs* from rhonda.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4/20/12, melissa green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>>>>> Oh no, I was very outspoken about my process of going to GdF.
>>>>>>>> In my case, I discovered that a certain staff member was losing
>>>>>>>> the paperwork, the vidios, and sending e-mails that said things
>>>>>>>> like you weren't accepted.
>>>>>>>> When I did go to GDF, I found out that there was someone else
>>>>>>>> that this had happened too as well.
>>>>>>>> I also have a friend who got aproved for home training and it
>>>>>>>> hasn't happened.  This staff member has told her that its because
>>>>>>>> she wants a specific breed and that is why its taking so long,
>>>>>>>> and that its her
>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>> Yet, I had the same experiences with the Seing eye.  Lost paper
>>>>>>>> work, and staff members making the decisions that they think is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right one.
>>>>>>>> I am glad that I have my girl from GDF.  I believe that grads of
>>>>>>>> schools and others need to continue to speak out and to complain.
>>>>>>>> That is the only way that it can change.
>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>> Melissa and Pj
>>>>>>>> The very least you can do in your life is figure out what you
>>>>>>>> hope for. And the most you can do is live inside that hope. Not
>>>>>>>> admire it from a distance but live right in it, under its roof.
>>>>>>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green
>>>>>>>> Twitter: melissa5674
>>>>>>>> windows messenger: graduate1531 at msn.com
>>>>>>>> skype: lisssa5674
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:26 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Jewel, Oh, I'm sorry you're having this issue with the
>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this is a chronic issue with the GDF.  They admit
>>>>>>>> it's an issue and say they're taking steps to fix it, but it's
>>>>>>>> still happening, and not just to new applicants, but to returning
>>>> grads.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The training is good, but you still need to go through the same
>>>>>>>> office if you want to talk to your trainer or fax a vet form.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I used to be one of the biggest GDF cheerleaders out there; I
>>>>>>>> helped run their Email list and was on their alumni council for a
>>>>>>>> year.  I had these things happen to me, and I've known people who
>>>>>>>> have had it
>>>>>> happen to them.
>>>>>>>> I don't really feel comfortable referring people to the GDF
>>>>>>>> anymore because of it.  I get it: They are responsible for a huge
>>>>>>>> amount of papers and Emails and faxes that come through there,
>>>>>>>> but every guide dog school has to contend with Emails and faxes
>>>>>>>> and paper work and they don't have these issues.  If I kept
>>>>>>>> losing paperwork at my last job
>>>>>> I would have been fired.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As I said before, how a school handles confidential and time
>>>>>>>> sensitive info, and how they respond to questions from frustrated
>>>>>>>> applicants who need to send a medical report just one more time
>>>>>>>> is just as important as the training and how you're encouraged to
>>>>>>>> work with
>>>>>> your dog.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is really heartbreaking for me, no kidding, because I've
>>>>>>>> been affiliated with the GDF since 1995.  I got to try a GDF demo
>>>>>>>> dog at the 95 convention and that clenched it for me.  I've
>>>>>>>> received two awesome dogs from the GDF, I know how good it can
>>>>>>>> be, and I'd love to
>>>>>> see it that good again.
>>>>>>>> Yes, things change, but change doesn't mean it has to be done at
>>>>>>>> the cost of time and stress on people who just want a
>>>>>>>> well-trained dog to enrich their life and provide efficient
>>>>>>>> mobility.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd encourage other GDF grads on this list to speak out.  I know
>>>>>>>> I'm not the only one to deal with these issues. Most people just
>>>>>>>> put up with it or get frustrated and move on to another school.
>>>>>>>> Addressing it with school staff really hasn't helped because they
>>>>>>>> claim these are just isolated incidents when they are most
>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>> not.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lisa
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done .
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> . .
>>>>>>>> TOMORROW!!
>>>>>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>>>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's funny you mention GDF, Lisa, because that's the school I am
>>>>>>>>> applying to who lost the paperwork. I didn't want to name names,
>>>>>>>>> but you already pointed out the problem, so I feel it's okay for
>>>>>>>>> me to point it out, too.
>>>>>>>>> Is the poor paperwork organization, in your opinion, something
>>>>>>>>> that affects the school's performance when it comes to training?
>>>>>>>>> To send vet reports, do you scan them into your computer and
>>>>>>>>> then e-mail them, or do you send them another way? What's the
>>>>>>>>> best way to deal with this issue?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've been impressed with GDF up to this point. I am concerned
>>>>>>>>> that this will become a problem for me in the future, so am a
>>>>>>>>> little hesitant about going to GDF now...but I really like their
>>>> program.
>>>>>>>>> Should I apply to another school? Or should I just learn to work
>>>>>>>>> around the poor organization skills of the school?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Lisa, I'd love to hear about how you deal with this problem, and
>>>>>>>>> whether you feel, knowing now what you do aobut paperwork
>>>>>>>>> problems and the like, whether you would go back to GDF.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for the comments so far; I remain concerned...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be mighty annoyed if that happened to me, especially if
>>>>>>>>>> they lost stuff I had to pay to get, like a medical report and
>>>>>>>>>> an O&M report.  And, considering how much I had to bug my
>>>>>>>>>> references to get it done, that would be annoying, too.
>>>>>>>>>> I think Cindy's suggestion is a good one.  See if there's a
>>>>>>>>>> supervisor who can open drawers and look behind the desk, I
>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh! Pretty sloppy!
>>>>>>>>>> Hope you can get it straightened out.
>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone experienced a guide dog school losing your
>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>>>>>>> The school I want to attend says they don't have my medical
>>>>>>>>>>> report, my O&M report, and my references. I know for a fact
>>>>>>>>>>> that I sent the medical report with the video that they do
>>>>>>>>>>> have (they watched it, so they do have that), my O&M
>>>>>>>>>>> instructor says he sent his report, and all three of my
>>>>>>>>>>> references said they sent their reference letters. On top of
>>>>>>>>>>> this, when I had an interview, I was told the interview was
>>>>>>>>>>> the only thing they didn't have in my files. The interviewer
>>>>>>>>>>> also made a second video of me walking, and they can't find
>>>>>>>>>>> that, either. I've been offered a spot in the July class, as
>>>>>>>>>>> long as all my paperwork goes through and I'm accepted, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> *sent* all that stuff. Should I just go get everything all
>>>>>>>>>>> over again, or should I hold them accountable for the
>>>>>> lost paperwork...and do what?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned about the school's organization, Jewel
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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