[nagdu] guide dogs of Texas, was Re: GDF and NAGDU conventions

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Tue Apr 24 00:00:45 UTC 2012 

Thanks, Laurel.
No, never heard of that school - surprised I haven't if it's been arouond 
sinse the 1990s!

San Antonio, TX, I know a Seeing Eye grad who lives there and my ex 
boyfriend's daughter lives there.  I heard that it is a somewhat progressive 
town - not so conservative as other parts of Texas.

Did you post that you were new to the list?  I think I deleted it.  I'm Lyn, 
61 years young, and I live in San Diego, CA and am working my eighth guide. 
Landon is from The Seeing Eye and he's six years old.  He's a male 
Lab/Golden retriever cross.  We do pet assisted therapy at our local Humane 
Society.  I've been on this list for several years and do enjoy it.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: [nagdu] guide dogs of Texas, was Re: GDF and NAGDU conventions


> Hi Lyn,
> I'm not Jeanine, but I can tell you that this school is in San
> Antonio. They only serve people who live in Texas and they've been
> around since the mid 90s I think, I don't know the exact year. I don't
> know exactly how many teams they graduate per year, but the last
> number I've heard was 12 to 20. Hope that helps answer your question.
> Laurel and Stockard
>
> On 4/23/12, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
>> Janine,
>> Where is Guide Dogs of Texas?  When was it founded?  I haven't heard 
>> about
>> that one.  Anyone on the list go there?  what breeds do they use?
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for the explanation, since GDF is the only school that I know 
>>> of
>>>
>>> personally.
>>> We remember that!
>>> See you at convention!
>>>
>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>> 631-456-5394
>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>
>>> For daily updates read our blog at
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>>>
>>>> From: jeninems at wowway.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:07:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>
>>>> Technically, GDF is considered a smaller school. We graduate around 100
>>>> teams per year, more if you count the service dog teams which brings 
>>>> the
>>>> total to around 120 or so.
>>>>
>>>> We have a smaller training staff, a smaller administrative staff and
>>>> hence
>>>> less ability to go to conferences and such.
>>>>
>>>> The "large schools" include The Seeing Eye, Guide Dogs for the Blind,
>>>> Guiding Eyes  and Leader Dogs which all have over 150 teams graduated
>>>> per
>>>> year and larger training and administrative staffs.
>>>>
>>>> These days we're probably in that middle category of schools along with
>>>> Pilot dogs and Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> The truly small schools include Guide Dogs of America, Guide Dogs of 
>>>> the
>>>> Desert, Fidelco and the other very small ones out there such as Guide
>>>> Dogs
>>>> of Texas.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of cheryl echevarria
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lyn:
>>>> John was there last year at convention, nice man.
>>>> Also, GDF is one of the larger schools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>
>>>> For daily updates read our blog at
>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>> > From: linda.gwizdak at cox.net
>>>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:20:55 -0700
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jenine,
>>>> > I don't know why we still squabble about what organization prefers
>>>> > whatever other organization still goes on.  Here we are, in a time of
>>>> > economic decline and at risk for losing everything we've gained for
>>>> > the last 50 years, and we can find nothing to put energy into except
>>>> > to complain that X Group doesn't like Y Group.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've never seen either the NFB or the ACB show preference for any
>>>> > particular schools.  Many schools can't afford to send people to both
>>>> > conventions anymore or do the programs or events they did in the 
>>>> > past.
>>>> > I would have no idea as to schools prefering one blindness
>>>> > organization over another one - guide dog users are guide dog users 
>>>> > no
>>>> matter if they belong to NFB or ACB.
>>>> > No matter which organization we belong to, we still love our dogs the
>>>> same.
>>>> > And the schools do what they can to outreach to us.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd like to see outreach at the conventions but I'd also like to see
>>>> > resources being used for the guide dog school programs themselves. 
>>>> > GDF
>>>> > has always been a smaller school so has always been less able to send
>>>> > reps to conventions like the larger schools do.  Even TSE has cut 
>>>> > back
>>>> > on things.  I got my first two dogs from GDF when John Byfield was
>>>> > there.
>>>> >
>>>> > Lyn and Landon
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
>>>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> > Users'"
>>>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 8:55 AM
>>>> > Subject: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > HI Cheryl,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I'm answering this in my official capacity as the GDF Consumer
>>>> > > Relations Coordinator.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > First off, GDF has no bias toward any consumer organization. I've
>>>> > > heard this rumor about various schools since I began looking at 
>>>> > > them
>>>> > > in 1987.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > It so happens that several members of the current GDf Alumni 
>>>> > > Council
>>>> > > are either NFB and/or NAGDU members and will be present at this
>>>> > > year's convention assisting us. The number of graduates who do 
>>>> > > claim
>>>> > > affiliation with NAGDU voluntarily has grown significantly since
>>>> > > 2008. I'm quite proud of that actually and enjoy the NFB and NAGDU
>>>> conventions tremendously.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > As with all non-profit organizations, this is a difficult economic
>>>> > > time.
>>>>
>>>> > > We
>>>> > > simply cannot afford the types of events we used to have for
>>>> > > graduates and prospective students. Other schools have also cut 
>>>> > > back
>>>> > > their events at national conventions.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I find it very powerful that though we no longer have these events,
>>>> > > our graduate force within NAGDU has grown so much. I thank everyone
>>>> > > for that and for learning about us.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I again look forward to coming to the NAGDU convention and
>>>> > > introducing our Alumni Council.
>>>> > > Jenine Stanley
>>>> > > Consumer Relations Coordinator
>>>> > > Guide Dog Foundation and America's VetDogs jenine at guidedog.org
>>>> > > jeninems at wowway.com http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> > > Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:37 AM
>>>> > > To: nagdu
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork and
>>>> > > convention
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Good morning all:
>>>> > > I have noticed over the years as being a graduate of GDF, that 
>>>> > > there
>>>> > > have been less and less graduates at convention. I also noticed on
>>>> > > the GDF List, and I am no longer on there, I just decided to much 
>>>> > > is
>>>> > > to much.
>>>> > > But I noticed that I was the only NAGDU member or NFB Member, I 
>>>> > > knew
>>>> > > Lisa was on here a few times, and Marilyn Tucci is on here now, 
>>>> > > etc,
>>>> > > as well as some others.  But I don't want to put foot in mouth 
>>>> > > here,
>>>> > > but I had mentioned this to our President before, President
>>>> > > Gwizdala, that I felt that the school was a lot GDUI and ACB then
>>>> > > anything else. I know schools are not supposed to be biased, but I
>>>> > > felt that from the beginning.  I have nothing against the other
>>>> > > organization at all, I am just a member of NFB and NAGDU, my 
>>>> > > choice!
>>>> > > What does this have to do with losing paperwork, nothing.
>>>> > > But with Convention only a few short months away, maybe this is
>>>> > > something that can be brought up at convention, when we have opened
>>>> > > Q&A
>>>> with GDF.
>>>> > > Also, I have noticed as well, that at conventions many of the
>>>> > > schools have an event for the graduates, GDF used to take it's 
>>>> > > grads
>>>> > > to lunch or anyone interested in learning more about GDF was
>>>> > > invited.
>>>> > > GDF hasn't done this since our last Convention in Dallas, when
>>>> > > Nelson and I were there in, 2008.
>>>> > > JMO!
>>>> > > Cheryl and Maxx
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> > > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>> > > 631-456-5394
>>>> > > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>> > >
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>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:19:56 -0700
>>>> > >> From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com
>>>> > >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> hello lisa.
>>>> > >>  i think you should keep on speeking up. and makeing lots of
>>>> > >> nouise.
>>>> > >>  that's the only way.
>>>> > >>  to get what you want.
>>>> > >>  i hope it all works out.
>>>> > >>  *hugs* from rhonda.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On 4/20/12, melissa green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>>> > >> > Lisa,
>>>> > >> > Oh no, I was very outspoken about my process of going to GdF.
>>>> > >> > In my case, I discovered that a certain staff member was losing
>>>> > >> > the paperwork, the vidios, and sending e-mails that said things
>>>> > >> > like you weren't accepted.
>>>> > >> > When I did go to GDF, I found out that there was someone else
>>>> > >> > that this had happened too as well.
>>>> > >> > I also have a friend who got aproved for home training and it
>>>> > >> > hasn't happened.  This staff member has told her that its 
>>>> > >> > because
>>>> > >> > she wants a specific breed and that is why its taking so long,
>>>> > >> > and that its her
>>>> > > fault.
>>>> > >> > Yet, I had the same experiences with the Seing eye.  Lost paper
>>>> > >> > work, and staff members making the decisions that they think is
>>>> > >> > the
>>>> > > right one.
>>>> > >> > I am glad that I have my girl from GDF.  I believe that grads of
>>>> > >> > schools and others need to continue to speak out and to 
>>>> > >> > complain.
>>>> > >> > That is the only way that it can change.
>>>> > >> > Blessings,
>>>> > >> > Melissa and Pj
>>>> > >> > The very least you can do in your life is figure out what you
>>>> > >> > hope for. And the most you can do is live inside that hope. Not
>>>> > >> > admire it from a distance but live right in it, under its roof.
>>>> > >> > Facebook: Melissa R. Green
>>>> > >> > Twitter: melissa5674
>>>> > >> > windows messenger: graduate1531 at msn.com
>>>> > >> > skype: lisssa5674
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > >> > From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>>> > >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> > >> > Users"
>>>> > >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:26 PM
>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >     Jewel, Oh, I'm sorry you're having this issue with the
>>>> > >> > school.
>>>> > >> > Unfortunately, this is a chronic issue with the GDF.  They admit
>>>> > >> > it's an issue and say they're taking steps to fix it, but it's
>>>> > >> > still happening, and not just to new applicants, but to 
>>>> > >> > returning
>>>> grads.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > The training is good, but you still need to go through the same
>>>> > >> > office if you want to talk to your trainer or fax a vet form.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > I used to be one of the biggest GDF cheerleaders out there; I
>>>> > >> > helped run their Email list and was on their alumni council for 
>>>> > >> > a
>>>> > >> > year.  I had these things happen to me, and I've known people 
>>>> > >> > who
>>>> > >> > have had it
>>>> > > happen to them.
>>>> > >> > I don't really feel comfortable referring people to the GDF
>>>> > >> > anymore because of it.  I get it: They are responsible for a 
>>>> > >> > huge
>>>> > >> > amount of papers and Emails and faxes that come through there,
>>>> > >> > but every guide dog school has to contend with Emails and faxes
>>>> > >> > and paper work and they don't have these issues.  If I kept
>>>> > >> > losing paperwork at my last job
>>>> > > I would have been fired.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > As I said before, how a school handles confidential and time
>>>> > >> > sensitive info, and how they respond to questions from 
>>>> > >> > frustrated
>>>> > >> > applicants who need to send a medical report just one more time
>>>> > >> > is just as important as the training and how you're encouraged 
>>>> > >> > to
>>>> > >> > work with
>>>> > > your dog.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > This is really heartbreaking for me, no kidding, because I've
>>>> > >> > been affiliated with the GDF since 1995.  I got to try a GDF 
>>>> > >> > demo
>>>> > >> > dog at the 95 convention and that clenched it for me.  I've
>>>> > >> > received two awesome dogs from the GDF, I know how good it can
>>>> > >> > be, and I'd love to
>>>> > > see it that good again.
>>>> > >> > Yes, things change, but change doesn't mean it has to be done at
>>>> > >> > the cost of time and stress on people who just want a
>>>> > >> > well-trained dog to enrich their life and provide efficient
>>>> > >> > mobility.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > I'd encourage other GDF grads on this list to speak out.  I know
>>>> > >> > I'm not the only one to deal with these issues. Most people just
>>>> > >> > put up with it or get frustrated and move on to another school.
>>>> > >> > Addressing it with school staff really hasn't helped because 
>>>> > >> > they
>>>> > >> > claim these are just isolated incidents when they are most
>>>> > >> > certainly
>>>> not.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > Lisa
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done 
>>>> > >> > .
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > . .
>>>> > >> > TOMORROW!!
>>>> > >> > Lisa Belville
>>>> > >> > missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > >> > From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> > >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> > >> > Users"
>>>> > >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:36 PM
>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >> It's funny you mention GDF, Lisa, because that's the school I 
>>>> > >> >> am
>>>> > >> >> applying to who lost the paperwork. I didn't want to name 
>>>> > >> >> names,
>>>> > >> >> but you already pointed out the problem, so I feel it's okay 
>>>> > >> >> for
>>>> > >> >> me to point it out, too.
>>>> > >> >> Is the poor paperwork organization, in your opinion, something
>>>> > >> >> that affects the school's performance when it comes to 
>>>> > >> >> training?
>>>> > >> >> To send vet reports, do you scan them into your computer and
>>>> > >> >> then e-mail them, or do you send them another way? What's the
>>>> > >> >> best way to deal with this issue?
>>>> > >> >>
>>>> > >> >> I've been impressed with GDF up to this point. I am concerned
>>>> > >> >> that this will become a problem for me in the future, so am a
>>>> > >> >> little hesitant about going to GDF now...but I really like 
>>>> > >> >> their
>>>> program.
>>>> > >> >> Should I apply to another school? Or should I just learn to 
>>>> > >> >> work
>>>> > >> >> around the poor organization skills of the school?
>>>> > >> >>
>>>> > >> >> Lisa, I'd love to hear about how you deal with this problem, 
>>>> > >> >> and
>>>> > >> >> whether you feel, knowing now what you do aobut paperwork
>>>> > >> >> problems and the like, whether you would go back to GDF.
>>>> > >> >>
>>>> > >> >> Thank you all for the comments so far; I remain concerned...
>>>> > >> >>
>>>> > >> >> ~Jewel
>>>> > >> >>
>>>> > >> >> On 4/19/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>> > >> >>> Hi Jewel.
>>>> > >> >>> I'd be mighty annoyed if that happened to me, especially if
>>>> > >> >>> they lost stuff I had to pay to get, like a medical report and
>>>> > >> >>> an O&M report.  And, considering how much I had to bug my
>>>> > >> >>> references to get it done, that would be annoying, too.
>>>> > >> >>> I think Cindy's suggestion is a good one.  See if there's a
>>>> > >> >>> supervisor who can open drawers and look behind the desk, I
>>>> > >> >>> guess.
>>>> > >> >>> Sheesh! Pretty sloppy!
>>>> > >> >>> Hope you can get it straightened out.
>>>> > >> >>> Tracy
>>>> > >> >>>
>>>> > >> >>>> Hey guys,
>>>> > >> >>>> Has anyone experienced a guide dog school losing your
>>>> > >> >>>> paperwork?
>>>> > >> >>>> The school I want to attend says they don't have my medical
>>>> > >> >>>> report, my O&M report, and my references. I know for a fact
>>>> > >> >>>> that I sent the medical report with the video that they do
>>>> > >> >>>> have (they watched it, so they do have that), my O&M
>>>> > >> >>>> instructor says he sent his report, and all three of my
>>>> > >> >>>> references said they sent their reference letters. On top of
>>>> > >> >>>> this, when I had an interview, I was told the interview was
>>>> > >> >>>> the only thing they didn't have in my files. The interviewer
>>>> > >> >>>> also made a second video of me walking, and they can't find
>>>> > >> >>>> that, either. I've been offered a spot in the July class, as
>>>> > >> >>>> long as all my paperwork goes through and I'm accepted, but I
>>>> > >> >>>> *sent* all that stuff. Should I just go get everything all
>>>> > >> >>>> over again, or should I hold them accountable for the
>>>> > > lost paperwork...and do what?
>>>> > >> >>>>
>>>> > >> >>>> Concerned about the school's organization, Jewel
>>>> > >> >>>>
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