[nagdu] Ismael not doing things right

Rhonda Cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Tue Aug 21 19:33:23 UTC 2012 

hi i'm glad to hear that you are getting a visit from the school. . .
all the best.

On 8/21/12, Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am glad you are getting a visit from the school!
>
> Ashley Coleman
> Sent from my
> iPod
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> On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Terrie Terlau" <terrieter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ramona,
>> I am glad that you spoke with someone who knew you and your situation.
>> You
>> need someone to come ASAP and I am very glad that Seeing Eye is working
>> on
>> this.
>> Hang in there.
>> Best wishes,
>> Terrie Terlau
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ramona Davidson
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>
>> hello all, i had a long wonderful, talk with someone from tse today
>> who saw ismael and i in action last month when i was there and he is
>> going to attempt to get someone out asap, he agrees that someone
>> should have been out sooner. he also gave me allot of wonderful
>> suggestions. he is also just as shocked at ismaels actions as I am
>> because he too knows ismaels layed back all serious temprament and has
>> seen how well we worked together during training. I believe that that
>> helps a little more than just reading a file about someone you've
>> never met. I feel like things are going in the right direction now,
>> and i'm somewhat relieved. some of the things he suggested I am
>> already trying and they are working so far.
>>
>> On 8/20/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I do have children; I just wasn't using a dog then. And I am just saying
>>> from the perspective of what they are thinking; they should have been
>>> out
>>> there two weeks ago. If clicker training work on the dog, then she
>>> should
>>> continue using the clicker and reward system along with taking the kid
>>> and
>>> see how that goes? Of course I'm no clicker advisor LOL.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>> I get what you're saying. It's just not practical. She's already done
>>>> training and been away from her kid. Now her dog is screwing around and
>>>> Seeing Eye says "do a lot of work without your kid to fix this".
>>>> That's not practical in a lot of cases. It's not fair to her or her
>>>> kid.
>>>> It's time consuming.
>>>> It's a suggestion someone without kids would make since they don't
>>>> generally get how things work once you have children.
>>>> I do understand your perspective that it takes time for a dog to settle
>>>> in. This solution set for making that happen just isn't feasible.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:44 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>>
>>>> Well, I see your point. I am only speaking from a personal experience
>> that
>>>> wasn't the exact same thing. When I got my first dog it was all has to
>>>> be
>>>> right immediately; subsequent dogs I didn't take this route. I do
>>>> definitely agree it is a problem. I wasn't using a dog when I had a
>>>> toddler, not even a grade schooler, so probably my comment comes off
>>>> insensitive. I just feel slightly differently from how I did when I got
>> my
>>>> first dog. However, the real problem here is that they should have
>> already
>>>> had someone out to her place the first time she suggested there was a
>>>> problem like this one. She's been home for three or four weeks now, and
>>>> a
>>>> lot of stress can happen in that amount of time.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Right, but Seeing Eye's suggestion that she not have her kid with her
>>>>> while this is being resolved is untennable. The kid is little so she
>>>>> can't just leave him home unless she's got someone who can look after
>>>>> him. And presumably she likes her kid, so likes having him with her.
>>>>> If
>>>>> that's the solution Seeing Eye has, then no thanks on that dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:04 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that TSE did not suggest that she not bring her son with her;
>>>>> I
>>>>> think their suggestion may have been for a little while to work
>>>>> through
>>>>> the problem. I think the first mistake I made with my first dog was
>>>>> that
>>>>> I expected that it was here for a reason, therefore, it must do
>>>>> everything right immediately. I think if that doesn't happen really
>> soon,
>>>>> then the dog is for sure not the one for me. But I do think that TSE
>>>>> needs to get on out there post haste.
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> First, you need to tell Seeing Eye they must come out or you will
>>>>>> send
>>>>>> the dog back. And you need to tell them that the suggestion of not
>>>>>> having your son with you is untenable, you're a mom first and
>>>>>> foremost.
>>>>>> Nobody else would use a product designed to make their life easier if
>>>>>> they were told "Don't have your kid with you when you use it".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since your dog is working well with food, I'd have the vet to a full
>>>>>> workup to see if there is a medical issue aside from the ear
>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>> He may not be processing something in his food properly. Does he seem
>> to
>>>>>> be craving certain foods? That might be a clue.
>>>>>> Have the vet check thyroid function and insist on the full panel.
>>>>>> Have
>>>>>> them check blood sugar too.
>>>>>> If all this checks out, your dog may just not be right for working,
>>>>>> either for you or at all. That's not your fault, these things happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Know that you do not need to use this dog, nor should you bust your
>> butt
>>>>>> to do so. Your sanity and family come first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Ramona Davidson
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:04 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am so stressed at this point i'm really not sure what to do.
>>>>>> ismaels guide work has been less than desirable as of late. last
>>>>>> saturday i took him to the vet for an ear infection which is all
>>>>>> cleared up now. we started having serious issues around that time,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> going all the way to kurbs, extreme vearing when crossing streets,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> just not listening to me. i chocked it up to the ear infection but
>>>>>> gave tse a call anyway, they told me that i should probably not walk
>>>>>> with my son for a wile to see if ismaels attention issue would clear
>>>>>> up, so i was pritty sure my son was the distraction. a few days ago
>>>>>> ismael started vearing extremely off course  i thought he was just
>>>>>> asuming I was wanting to go to places we had been before so i worried
>>>>>> about it but once again chocked it up to my son being with us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> today, I did some ONM on the college campus and my son stayed at home
>>>>>> with his daddy. I would have to say this has been the worss day yet.
>>>>>> wile crossing streets: I would feel him vearing and try to correct
>>>>>> him
>>>>>> but he wouldn't listen. then we decided to do the street crossing
>>>>>> sighted guide and i did the sit, praze, good boy, tap my foot thing
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the kurbs  and it didn't work. we showed him exactly where we wanted
>>>>>> him to go and he still did not cross strate.
>>>>>> another issue, every time we would walk down the sidewalk and get up
>>>>>> to the intersection instead of taking me to the kurb he'd cut the
>>>>>> corner turn right and keep going down the street. i corrected him
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> and time again, took him to the kurb, made him sit, tapped it with my
>>>>>> foot told him good boy, I must have done this about a million times,
>>>>>> he still would not go to the kurb.
>>>>>> we then did some clicker training to the pole thinking that if i
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> at least get him to go to the pole  instead of going to the right
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> i could at least get my self the rest of the way to the kurb, as long
>>>>>> as the treats were flowing and the clicker was out he went directly
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> that pole every single time, as soon as the training was finished he
>>>>>> started zooming right past the pole again. i'm so frustrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seriously want to bang my head against the wall right now. the onm
>>>>>> instructor says I seem to be doing everything right and she says i
>>>>>> need to get the seeing eye to come out but they keep  blowing it off
>>>>>> saying it's because we are still new, well i have tryed everything
>>>>>> they suggested and still no change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there anything i could be doing wrong??
>>>>>>
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