[nagdu] Ismael not doing things right

Ashley Coleman amc05111 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 21 15:27:17 UTC 2012


I am glad you are getting a visit from the school!

Ashley Coleman
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Terrie Terlau" <terrieter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ramona,
> I am glad that you spoke with someone who knew you and your situation. You
> need someone to come ASAP and I am very glad that Seeing Eye is working on
> this.
> Hang in there.
> Best wishes,
> Terrie Terlau
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ramona Davidson
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
> 
> hello all, i had a long wonderful, talk with someone from tse today
> who saw ismael and i in action last month when i was there and he is
> going to attempt to get someone out asap, he agrees that someone
> should have been out sooner. he also gave me allot of wonderful
> suggestions. he is also just as shocked at ismaels actions as I am
> because he too knows ismaels layed back all serious temprament and has
> seen how well we worked together during training. I believe that that
> helps a little more than just reading a file about someone you've
> never met. I feel like things are going in the right direction now,
> and i'm somewhat relieved. some of the things he suggested I am
> already trying and they are working so far.
> 
> On 8/20/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do have children; I just wasn't using a dog then. And I am just saying
>> from the perspective of what they are thinking; they should have been out
>> there two weeks ago. If clicker training work on the dog, then she should
>> continue using the clicker and reward system along with taking the kid and
>> see how that goes? Of course I'm no clicker advisor LOL.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> 
>>> Cindy,
>>> I get what you're saying. It's just not practical. She's already done
>>> training and been away from her kid. Now her dog is screwing around and
>>> Seeing Eye says "do a lot of work without your kid to fix this".
>>> That's not practical in a lot of cases. It's not fair to her or her kid.
>>> It's time consuming.
>>> It's a suggestion someone without kids would make since they don't
>>> generally get how things work once you have children.
>>> I do understand your perspective that it takes time for a dog to settle
>>> in. This solution set for making that happen just isn't feasible.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:44 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>> 
>>> Well, I see your point. I am only speaking from a personal experience
> that
>>> wasn't the exact same thing. When I got my first dog it was all has to be
>>> right immediately; subsequent dogs I didn't take this route. I do
>>> definitely agree it is a problem. I wasn't using a dog when I had a
>>> toddler, not even a grade schooler, so probably my comment comes off
>>> insensitive. I just feel slightly differently from how I did when I got
> my
>>> first dog. However, the real problem here is that they should have
> already
>>> had someone out to her place the first time she suggested there was a
>>> problem like this one. She's been home for three or four weeks now, and a
>>> lot of stress can happen in that amount of time.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Right, but Seeing Eye's suggestion that she not have her kid with her
>>>> while this is being resolved is untennable. The kid is little so she
>>>> can't just leave him home unless she's got someone who can look after
>>>> him. And presumably she likes her kid, so likes having him with her. If
>>>> that's the solution Seeing Eye has, then no thanks on that dog.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:04 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>> 
>>>> I think that TSE did not suggest that she not bring her son with her; I
>>>> think their suggestion may have been for a little while to work through
>>>> the problem. I think the first mistake I made with my first dog was that
>>>> I expected that it was here for a reason, therefore, it must do
>>>> everything right immediately. I think if that doesn't happen really
> soon,
>>>> then the dog is for sure not the one for me. But I do think that TSE
>>>> needs to get on out there post haste.
>>>> 
>>>> CL
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> First, you need to tell Seeing Eye they must come out or you will send
>>>>> the dog back. And you need to tell them that the suggestion of not
>>>>> having your son with you is untenable, you're a mom first and foremost.
>>>>> Nobody else would use a product designed to make their life easier if
>>>>> they were told "Don't have your kid with you when you use it".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since your dog is working well with food, I'd have the vet to a full
>>>>> workup to see if there is a medical issue aside from the ear infection.
>>>>> He may not be processing something in his food properly. Does he seem
> to
>>>>> be craving certain foods? That might be a clue.
>>>>> Have the vet check thyroid function and insist on the full panel.  Have
>>>>> them check blood sugar too.
>>>>> If all this checks out, your dog may just not be right for working,
>>>>> either for you or at all. That's not your fault, these things happen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Know that you do not need to use this dog, nor should you bust your
> butt
>>>>> to do so. Your sanity and family come first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ramona Davidson
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:04 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am so stressed at this point i'm really not sure what to do.
>>>>> ismaels guide work has been less than desirable as of late. last
>>>>> saturday i took him to the vet for an ear infection which is all
>>>>> cleared up now. we started having serious issues around that time, not
>>>>> going all the way to kurbs, extreme vearing when crossing streets, and
>>>>> just not listening to me. i chocked it up to the ear infection but
>>>>> gave tse a call anyway, they told me that i should probably not walk
>>>>> with my son for a wile to see if ismaels attention issue would clear
>>>>> up, so i was pritty sure my son was the distraction. a few days ago
>>>>> ismael started vearing extremely off course  i thought he was just
>>>>> asuming I was wanting to go to places we had been before so i worried
>>>>> about it but once again chocked it up to my son being with us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> today, I did some ONM on the college campus and my son stayed at home
>>>>> with his daddy. I would have to say this has been the worss day yet.
>>>>> wile crossing streets: I would feel him vearing and try to correct him
>>>>> but he wouldn't listen. then we decided to do the street crossing
>>>>> sighted guide and i did the sit, praze, good boy, tap my foot thing at
>>>>> the kurbs  and it didn't work. we showed him exactly where we wanted
>>>>> him to go and he still did not cross strate.
>>>>> another issue, every time we would walk down the sidewalk and get up
>>>>> to the intersection instead of taking me to the kurb he'd cut the
>>>>> corner turn right and keep going down the street. i corrected him time
>>>>> and time again, took him to the kurb, made him sit, tapped it with my
>>>>> foot told him good boy, I must have done this about a million times,
>>>>> he still would not go to the kurb.
>>>>> we then did some clicker training to the pole thinking that if i could
>>>>> at least get him to go to the pole  instead of going to the right than
>>>>> i could at least get my self the rest of the way to the kurb, as long
>>>>> as the treats were flowing and the clicker was out he went directly to
>>>>> that pole every single time, as soon as the training was finished he
>>>>> started zooming right past the pole again. i'm so frustrated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I seriously want to bang my head against the wall right now. the onm
>>>>> instructor says I seem to be doing everything right and she says i
>>>>> need to get the seeing eye to come out but they keep  blowing it off
>>>>> saying it's because we are still new, well i have tryed everything
>>>>> they suggested and still no change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> is there anything i could be doing wrong??
>>>>> 
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