[nagdu] guide dog question

[d m gina]

Good for you my friend,
She will start to get to know your voice even more.
Now there might be a time when the dog might decide she is top dog, but 
that is when we keep talking.
I know if my dog wants to do something he will do it.
We are also in our first year, and this is the important year to where 
you grow into a wonderful team.
I know we will and I know you will do the same.
Original message:
> I actually didn't mean for this to go to the whole list, but nwo that
> it did, i'm glad, anyway i went out today with just the flat collar
> and she did really well, we even encountered a dog distraction and I
> jsut talked her through it and said no forward, and just kept moving
> and it actually worked much better than the harsh chain corrections
> which blew me away, go figure, right, ah well. thanks guys and sorry
> for the funkified message and i'll try to do better.
> Jessica

> On 12/10/12, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dar,

>> The short answer is that you don't correct with a flat collar.  You deal
>> with unwanted behavior in a different way.  Commonly an incompatible
>> behavior is used.  So say dog is sniffing, instead of correcting, the
>> handler might ask the dog to sit or touch his nose to the handlers
>> hand.  The idea is to get the dog to do something you ask that it can't
>> do while sniffing.

>> The other day I was at the Health Department for a meeting.  Monty was
>> being a scatterbrained dufus, not really bad, just letting his attention
>> wander.  Instead of correcting I just leaned over and tapped him on the
>> shoulder to get his attention.  It worked extremely well in that
>> situation.   Now if there was a hamburger on the ground that he was
>> intent on eating I don't think the gentle tap would work.  Probably in a
>> case like that I would try quickly dropping the harness handle and
>> pivoting so that I was facing the way I had just come from.  this will
>> remove the hamburger from his line of sight, get his attention back on
>> me and let him know that pulling will not get him what he wants.

>> I think it's mostly a mindset.  You gravitate toward the methods you
>> know and are most comfortable with.  If you don't use corrections, it
>> simply doesn't enter your mind to correct.  You use other techniques
>> that fit your knowledge, beliefs and personal style.

>> Julie


>> Hi there,
>>> I also agree with you.
>>> My dog is a diver, and I am having him wear the canny collar.
>>> When I correct him I give a gentle correction which calms him down
>>> rite away.
>>> This morning we went to a funeral, where there was another guide dog
>>> he had not seen before.
>>> he took a step and I gently pulled back wich calmed him down rite away.
>>> I would be interested in knowing if a flat collar is used, how do you
>>> correct the dog.
>>> You wouldn't get the chance to do the same way as the choke collar or
>>> what we use.
>>> I still have the collar on my dog with all of his tags, that won't
>>> come off.
>>> Interesting topic.
>>> Jessica was busy at the time I called.
>>> So if I don't hear from her, I understand this busy time of month with
>>> all of the activities we get involved in.
>>> With the dogs going to many Christmas parties and all of the food, I
>>> can see why it would be ever tempting for them.
>>> I hope others come back and share how they correct with a flat collar.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Jessica,

>>>> I have the book on T-Touch and have used the technique with my current
>>>> two dogs.  They really enjoy it.  I can't think of any possible reason
>>>> why a person would object to T-Touch.  It's just a distinct way of
>>>> touching or massaging the dog.   There aren't any side effects, other
>>>> than being relaxed.  Some of the schools teach some of the T-Touch
>>>> techniques.  Attending a T-Touch workshop is on my things to do someday
>>>> list.  You are so lucky to have had a private session!

>>>> As far as your collar question...that is a very personal choice.  It is
>>>> possible to work a guide in a flat collar.  I know of several people who
>>>> do.  However if you should is an entirely different issue.  I think you
>>>> have to figure out what your personal philosophy of dog handling is.
>>>> Then figure out if you have the skills and ability to work your dog
>>>> within that belief system.   I believe that each dog and each handler
>>>> have a unique way of interacting that is best for that particular team.
>>>> The same dog with a different handler and a different set of techniques
>>>> might work better.  Same thing with a different dog and the same handler
>>>> needing to figure out what works best.

>>>> Julie




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