[nagdu] Removing Harness and Leash for Security Re: flyingwithPrincess for the first time

[Doug Parisian]

Seems to me that what one does at security is dog/person specific.  Once I 
bonded effectively with my various dogs, I could reliably expect them to 
stay-rest on command without me being attached until I gave the "come" 
command.  This doesn't excuse clutsy security folks, many of whom would be 
stupid and tasteless enough to actually goo-goo and chirp at a service 
animal.

Just curious.  Were I to have a digital recorder with me and plop it into 
the offered tray while recording, would their electronic detection equipment 
find this to be a suspect item?  My reason for asking of course is so that 
one would have at least an audio record of the security interaction, 
assuming of course that some of these poor folk could actually speak 
understandable English.

Doug: Mickey the Mike!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Removing Harness and Leash for Security Re: 
flyingwithPrincess for the first time


>I haven't ever taken off the dog's harness to go through security, but I
> would if they insisted.  But no way would I take off the collar and leash!
> And that goes tripple if I were bringing home a new dog.  It would be way
> too easy to lose control of the dog and end up with him playing
> catch-me-if-you-can in the airport.  Yikes!
>
> One of my classmates' dog ate a rubber glove at security.  Just snarfed it
> right down while the guy was examining him, I guess.  Luckily, it came out
> all right.
> Tracy
>
>
>> I was told by a trainer to absolutely never remove the dogs harness,
>> collar
>> or leash
>>
>> For going through security, I agree with never removing the leash/collar,
>> but I do not agree with not removing the harness. Is it what people will
>> think of the dog, what people will do to the harness, or how the dog will
>> behave without the harness? Yes, Lexia usually interprets harness off as
>> play time, but she is also smart enough to know that the airport is no
>> place
>> for messing around.
>>     As far as putting on a different collar/leash, it is possible to
>> switch
>> collars and leashes without giving your dog full freedom. I admit that
>> this
>> may not be a good idea for a new guide dog team, but it should not be a
>> problem for a team that has been together for a long time.
>>
>> Also I knew of a handler and her guide  going through security after 911
>> and
>> the person working the security told this handler to remove the dogs
>> harness
>> and she did and the security people took the harness totally apart and
>> after
>> she went  through security the security people gave her the harness back
>> in
>> pieces. Too me that's unacceptable  and very wrong.
>>
>> And did your friend do anything about it? In that case, you fix the
>> problem
>> by talking to the person who did it or a supervisor, not by just avoiding
>> it. Did the person take it apart to fit it in the bin or to investigate
>> it?
>> Sometimes, no matter what we do, we cannot keep the security from
>> investigating things that way. Also, what exactly is "apart"? The GDB
>> harness that Lexia has can be put into three pieces that are very easily
>> put
>> back together.
>>
>> Finally, what has disturbed me more than just what you are saying is how
>> you
>> said it. I agree that everyone on the list has the right to express
>> his/her
>> opinion, but no one is the "expert" on what to do and what not to do. You
>> could have put something along the lines of "I would" or "In my opinion""
>>
>> Okay, I am going to go hide under my rock now.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Removing Harness and Leash for Security Re:
>> flyingwithPrincess for the first time
>>
>>
>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>
>>> I was told by a trainer to absolutely never remove the dogs harness,
>>> collar
>>> or leash.  Also I knew of a handler and her guide  going through
>>> security
>>> after 911 and the person working the security told this handler to
>>> remove
>>> the dogs harness and she did and the security people took the harness
>>> totally apart and after she went  through security the security people
>>> gave
>>> her the harness back in pieces. Too me that's unexceptable  and very
>>> wrong.
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lori and theGipper
>>>
>>>
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