[nagdu] owner training

[Marion Gwizdala]

Steve,
    The message you wrote could very well be misconstrued. To be clear, what 
is stated is that it is sometimes misconstrued that state law supercedes 
federal law. This is only true if the state law provides greater protection. 
In the case of documentation, even if a state has such a requirement, since 
it is more restrictive than the federal law, it is unenforceable. On the 
other hand, if it provides greater protection than federal law, it is 
enforceable. For instance, if a state wants to remove the training 
requirement for a service dog, it is free to do so, since it would be a 
broader - not more restrictive - protection. Is this clear as mud? (grin)

Fraternally yours,
marion

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] owner training


> Tami et al,
>
> The other thing that seems to be misconstrued, is that one's State laws
> override the ADA or other related civil rights laws that protect persons
> using service dogs as defined March 15, 2011.  Keep in mind, the new
> definition, what the greater protection provides, but also your State's 
> laws
> as they might, in some cases, indeed provide protections than the broader
> laws.  However, certification is not a requirement of a handler, but it 
> may,
> in somce cases, may be a requirement for dogs in training per some State
> laws.  Again, all of this gets so tricky, sticky and sometimes icky, but 
> if
> anyone ever has questions governing their access rights, post it on this
> site, and let's talk about it.  It's a great venue for all of us to learn
> from each other whether we are very knowledgeable about these things, or 
> are
> just entering the world of service dog use.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tami Kinney
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:18 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] owner training
>
> William,
>
> I'm just catching up after internet withdrawal from out in the sticks.
> /smile/
>
> Certification is not required for a service dog, including a guide dog.
> The dog must be specifically trained to perform work for a person with a
> disability. Naturally, the dog must also behave appropriately in public, 
> be
> clean, flea-free, etc., etc.
>
> So I hear a lot about certification and get really snarly about it now
> instantly. /lol/ In my own opinion, if my dog's behavior and training and
> work do not speak for themselves, then that says it all. Same is true for
> program-trained guide or other service dogs. Most of the owner-trainers I
> know expect the same of themselves and their dogs that the other guide dog
> users I know do. /smile/
>
> Andyway, no certification required. And that's the way I want to keep it!
> /grin/
>
> Tami
>
> On 02/17/2012 07:41 AM, William Vandervest wrote:
>> just curious, if you train your own dog, how do you get the dog certifyed
> as a service dog, or do you even need to do so?
>> William And LD Lynard
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