[nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
Juanita Herrera
juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 03:31:12 UTC 2012
Hi Nat and Liam Joshua,
I actually purchased the sign from HandiWorks, but at the time of the
purchase I did not realize I left out the sleeve that holds the sign
in place. Later, I tried to go back to the website, and it says that
they no longer make the sleeves. So, I have a sign but no sleeve. Lol!
Thank you for your suggestion though.
Juanita And Anise
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> 1. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 2. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Sheila Leigland)
> 3. Re: Canine flu vaccine (Deanna Lewis)
> 4. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Lea williams)
> 5. Re: Running (Natalie)
> 6. Re: New Guide Dog Usser (Natalie)
> 7. Re: Not eating (GARY STEEVES)
> 8. Re: update (John Vickers)
> 9. Re: nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog grooming =
> wicked amazing! (John Vickers)
> 10. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Steven Johnson)
> 11. another update (Rachel Krieg)
> 12. Re: Not eating (rhonda cruz)
> 13. Re: another update (Hannah Chadwick)
> 14. Re: another update (rhonda cruz)
> 15. has this happened to anyone else? (Hannah Chadwick)
> 16. Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 17. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (John Vickers)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:23:32 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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> Interesting. I know that this is getting slightly off topic, but what do you
> do about the litter box? How much do the food dispensers cost, and where do
> you get them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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>
>> They do make such devices already. I have one to feed my cat when I am
>> out of town for an extended period of time. You can select how much food
>> you want it to dispense and how often. Pretty nifty little gadgets. As
>> for remembering to take the dog out etc, one could easily have an alarm
>> set...
>>
>> Meghan
>>
>> On 2/21/2012 8:47 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Does something like that exist? It could possibly be a fun design project
>>>
>>> for one of my engineering classes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>
>>>
>>>> YHou really can't technologize everything though. Sounds interesting
>>>> enough. Reminds me of the story, "There Will Come Soft Rains."
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Possibly, the dog food would be in an automatic dispensing device on a
>>>>> timer. The water boll could also have a reservoir it refills from.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To go out to releave it could have a doggy door.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any sort
>>>>>> of disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface of
>>>>>> what dogs can be taught to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
>>>>>> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they
>>>>>> going to remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to
>>>>>> relieve or give the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give
>>>>>>> dementia sufferers a new life
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By George Arbuthnott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for the
>>>>>>> deaf. Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering
>>>>>>> from dementia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people to
>>>>>>> take their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with
>>>>>>> undressing and help out around the home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond
>>>>>>> to an alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with
>>>>>>> memory loss needs to take medication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling on
>>>>>>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>>>>>>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that
>>>>>>> their owner would make when in distress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bark loudly to raise the alarm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>>>>>>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>>>>>>> dementia to undress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that
>>>>>>> requires a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a
>>>>>>> cupboard door, the dog can open it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to
>>>>>>> pull at the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding, but
>>>>>>> needs to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the
>>>>>>> 750,000 Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their independence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for longer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using ?positive
>>>>>>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task
>>>>>>> correctly, they get a treat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer
>>>>>>> Scotland, gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have
>>>>>>> been used to assist those with dementia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>>>>>>> cupboards can be opened
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are really
>>>>>>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also
>>>>>>> provide great emotional support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog
>>>>>>> will be a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest
>>>>>>> other ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the
>>>>>>> funding is raised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>>>>>>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative
>>>>>>> way to improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership
>>>>>>> with the Department of Health was offering funding for projects that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> helped those with early-stage dementia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities Dogs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with
>>>>>>> similar skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by 2021
>>>>>>> and 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of those
>>>>>>> with the condition are undiagnosed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways
>>>>>>> that dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:32:20 -0700
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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> I wondered about that myself.
>
> Sheila Leigland
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:59 -0500
> From: Deanna Lewis <deannaandpascal at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Canine flu vaccine
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> Hi Tracy,
> When I took Mr. Pascal to the vet in December, I got him the Canine Flu
> vaccine. I thought it would be beneficial as he is in contact with other
> dogs at NFB meetings, and conventions. And also, since we occasionally
> volunteer for the SPCA. Take care.
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> Ben had his annual checkup yesterday. He's strong and healthy, which
>> confirmed my opinion.
>> The vet offered to give him a canine flu vaccine, which I declined. The
>> vet said dogs are most at risk when they congregate with large groups of
>> dogs, like in dog parks, the groomer's, or a kennel (or the dog track).
>> Ben doesn't go any of those places, and I want to keep the shots he gets
>> down to a minimum.
>> I wondered if others had gotten the vaccine for their dogs. I might have,
>> if Ben went to the groomer.
>>
>> I did get him the lepto vaccine, which is kind of a pain, since he has to
>> go in for a booster in 3 weeks. But the chances of him coming into
>> contact with squirrel urine seem pretty good. At least, there are lots of
>> squirrels around here, and Ben's a curious guy. I had assumed that it was
>> bundled with the distemper shot, DHLP, but this new vet likes it separate.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:41:29 -0500
> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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> I have the same thoughts about feeding them and all. My great grand
> mother had it really bad and there were many times that she did not
> even know her own family and would shove knives in the door jam to
> keep us from coming inside to cook her dinner and stuff. What if
> someone flips out over the dog being in the house and tries to run it
> off or something?
>
> i can see it working if they have family that comes everyday but I too
> think that there should be more thought to this. and yes you can
> despence food and water, but you can't do so with medicine so well.
>
> I hope there is a way to work it out because who knows how well it
> could work, maybe for someone who still lives with a husband or wife
> or other family members. And in most cases these people are not left
> alone all the time, they do have family and nurses coming in all the
> time to check on them.
>
> On 2/21/12, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> I wondered about that myself.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:49:23 -0700
> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Running
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> Hi Tina,
> My boyfriend runs with his guide dog, and if it's okay with you, I'll
> forward your contact info to him. How are you and Dixie doing? He uses a
> nylon walk harness instead of the conventional one.
> Best,
> Nat and Liam Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:57 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Running
>
>
>> Hey folks, Has anyone had experience with running a 5K and or a half
>> marathon using a guide dog as a partner? Any tips and or and.
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:33 -0700
> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
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> Hi Juanita and Anise,
> If no one has answered yet, as I'm behind on e-mail, Handiworks has an
> awesome sign. I have one, and most people have respected it. It's a
> fluorescent yellow with big letters. HTH.
> Best,
> Nat and Liam Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanita.herrera91 at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
>
>
>> Thank you all who have welcomed me to the list. Anise and I seem to be
>> doing well. I just wasn't too sure if her looking around was something
>> normal or not. Also, does anyone know where I could purchase the "Do
>> Not Pet Me" signs. I desperately need one. Once again thank you all.
>> Best Regards,
>> Juanita And Anise
>>
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>>> 1. Re: New Guide Dog User (loriandleo)
>>> 2. Re: New Guide Dog User (Sheila Leigland)
>>> 3. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>> 4. (no subject) (Sarah Williams)
>>> 5. Re: * important* was (no subject) (Julie J.)
>>> 6. The Room (Cindy Ray)
>>> 7. Re: New Guide Dog User (Marsha Drenth)
>>> 8. Re: The Room (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 9. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>> (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>>> 10. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:55 -0500
>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
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>>> Hi Mathew,
>>>
>>> It's good to see you here. Also good luck with applyinga to Pilot Dogs.
>>> How
>>> do you like living in Columbus? Take care.
>>>
>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:57:07 -0700
>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>> Message-ID: <auto-000028135245 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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>>> Hi welcome to the list. I'm working with my second dog Tres a golden
>>> retriever. He is almost 30 or two and a half years old and is crazy about
>>> people. My first dog was a black lab and was very calm an obedient. My
>>> second dog has taken more work but it is worth the effort. He's doing
>>> better
>>> all the time.
>>>
>>> sheila leigland
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:07:36 -0800
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>> Message-ID: <000d01cce627$f4980be0$ddc823a0$@suddenlink.net>
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>>> Thank you Nat! she is doing much better now that she's on the food the
>>> vet
>>> recommended.
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Natalie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:58 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>> Hi Hannah,
>>> I'm sorry to hear Ms. Princess isn't feeling too well, but I'm glad you
>>> had
>>> a safe flight back. I would do what your vet suggests. It may just be
>>> the
>>> changes of the new environment causing her to not feel well. I'll keep
>>> you
>>> guys in my thoughts and prayers and send her a wag from my best dog, no
>>> jest
>>> dog. Keep us posted, and if there's anything we can do, please don't
>>> hesitate to let us know.
>>> Best,
>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:30 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>> this
>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>> and
>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>>> it
>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>> them
>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>> think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:23:05 -0600
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nagdu] The Room
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>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating to
>>> say
>>> the least.
>>>
>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates, do
>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going to
>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed gates.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:03:26 -0500
>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>> Message-ID: <976276075F6D41DF82BE10BC37B3D683 at Cptr233>
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>>>
>>> Juanita,
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list. I am Marsha, one of the moderators of the list. If
>>> you
>>> need anything please ask. A little about me, I'm working my second guide
>>> from Seeing Eye. Emma is a GSD who just turned 6 years old. We live in
>>> PA,
>>> just outside of Philadelphia. I am a full time student at Temple
>>> University.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope you like the list, it can be very busy but very slow too.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Juanita Herrera
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> My name is Juanita and I received my first guide dog a month ago from
>>> Guide Dogs For The Blind at the Oregon Campus. My guide dog's name is
>>> Anise and she is a black lab. She is very calm, but can have her
>>> random outbursts of energy. She is only 20 months old, and when we go
>>> places she loves to look at people. She gets distracted easily by just
>>> looking around. Is that normal due to her age? Also, how long does it
>>> take until a guide dog team feel completely in sink with each other?
>>> Hope some of you pro guide dog users can help. *smile*
>>> Best,
>>> Juanita and Anise
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: Update (Marsha Drenth)
>>>> 2. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 3. Re: Update (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 4. Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>> 5. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 6. Re: Getting a guide dog (Tami Kinney)
>>>> 7. Re: Getting a guide dog (Margo and Arrow)
>>>> 8. Re: Getting a guide dog (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 9. Re: Getting a guide dog (Sheila Leigland)
>>>> 10. flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 11. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>> 12. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Jessica Pitzer)
>>>> 13. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Sheila Leigland)
>>>> 14. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 15. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 16. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>> 17. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>> 18. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 19. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 20. Re: Update (Jessica)
>>>> 21. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 22. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 23. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 24. Re: Getting a guide dog (Jessica)
>>>> 25. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 26. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 27. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 28. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 29. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 30. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 31. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 32. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 33. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>> 34. Re: Getting a guide dog (Julie J.)
>>>> 35. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (loriandleo)
>>>> 36. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (t21114 at optonline.net)
>>>> 37. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>> 38. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>> 39. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>> 40. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>> 41. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>> 42. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 43. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 44. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 45. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>> 46. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>> 47. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>> 48. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>> 49. My Adventure and Odie's new bone (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>> 50. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 51. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 52. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 53. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 54. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>> Message-ID: <0E6A89967793464F954AA14EAF1E8F89 at Cptr233>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>>> of
>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>> involved?
>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>
>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>> PA,
>>> in
>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>> and
>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>
>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jessica
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>> I'm
>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>>> He
>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>> my
>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>> moving
>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>> even
>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>>> and
>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>> is
>>>> doing well
>>>> Jessica
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:07:07 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>> Message-ID: <71C7F990-86B9-4AB7-A438-B2AB3953278E at gmail.com>
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>>>> Jessica, congratulations on that upcoming area. That will be a change.
>>> Last
>>>> time I was married I moved from a university town in Kansas to a tiny
>>>> town
>>>> in Iowa, the opposite of you. Goodness, what a change. Now I'm in Des
>>>> Moines, quite a little busier. I know it will all go well for you there.
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>>>> I'm Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>> campus. He is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now
>>>>> am
>>>>> planning my wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog
>>>>> came from the same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous
>>>>> because am moving from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area
>>>>> but am excited to really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on
>>>>> our visits and I even think he works better when he is there. He just
>>>>> seems to be more focused and not as sniffy as when he walks down these
>>>>> roads at home. Hope everyone is doing well
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:57:51 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>> Message-ID: <B3DC6F9B29ED442D9C529D99AC22BA5B at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> I here that DC is easy to get around/. My daughter attends Galludet out
>>>> there. Are Y'all going to make the dogs dress up as well?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>> I'm
>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>>> He
>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>> my
>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>> moving
>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>> even
>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>>> and
>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>> is
>>>> doing well
>>>> Jessica
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:57 -0500
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <E95496603EFF4CE28D50C5E2CB21D21C at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>> me
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We
>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop
>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler,
>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>> and
>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>> do
>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>> to
>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>> responcibility. RJ
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:10 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <5135ADDB-153E-4DD0-938A-6933EE231630 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>> you
>>>> are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>> dog,
>>>> you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make transportation
>>>> easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you had a dog. If
>>> you
>>>> believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of responsibility,
>>>> but
>>> if
>>>> you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for me it would seem you
>>>> should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you really feel about
>>>> it
>>>> yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer for all blind
>>> people.
>>>> The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My husband doesn't use
>>>> one
>>>> because he says he doesn't have the patience and would rather use a
>>>> cane.
>>>> What it really boils down to is you need to consider the pros and cons;
>>>> if
>>>> you don't want a dog then don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't
>>> know
>>>> what they mean when they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do
>>>> what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>> driven
>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>> to
>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>> I
>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:38:53 -0800
>>>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <4F30567D.7020703 at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> RJ,
>>>>
>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>>> that you have to put up with it.
>>>>
>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>>> love that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>>>> prefer dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>>>> hassles. /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse
>>>> from staff at the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a
>>>> cane afterwards was making the original injuries worse by leaps and
>>>> bounds, and there was no way I could ever hope to start getting the
>>>> injuries healed while using a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those
>>>> injuries and other events at the time I was there brought my old
>>>> fibromyalgia out of remission -- or caused a whole new onset, as it
>>>> seems to me -- I needed to deal with the travel problem and became
>>>> physically unable to even *think* about the rigors of a guide dog
>>>> program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she proved to have "the right
>>>> stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/ I had tons of training
>>>> experience since I was too young to remember, so I knew I had the right
>>>> stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I still sometimes find
>>>> myself going about with my super duper poodle guide and feel suddenly
>>>> shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>
>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling brown
>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>>>> my! Who needs it?
>>>>
>>>> That's my story.
>>>>
>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions. Remembering
>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>> maddening!
>>>>
>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on the
>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>>>> of it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you will
>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it out
>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better options.
>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>> deal with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug.
>>>> If they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>> fine. People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
>>>> think anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going
>>>> to risk my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But
>>>> she can't do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive
>>>> non-law-abiding drivers with no protection between us and them. Sooner
>>>> or later... So. That's my decision. If I make the wrong decision to
>>>> please someone else, they won't be haunted for the rest of their broken,
>>>> crippled lives by what they let happen to a really great dog, will they?
>>>> Nope!
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play in
>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to make
>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>>>> and said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>>
>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>> driven
>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>> to
>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>> I
>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:33 -0500
>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <64B360ED52734989A98711C938DF2AEF at margoda7a829ca>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>> was
>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>
>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>> want
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>> you
>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>> for
>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>> answer
>>>>>
>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>> My
>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>> and
>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>> me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:09:09 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <000001cce524$57246c90$056d45b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> RJ,
>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and
>>> yes
>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>>> Pilot
>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can
>>>> get
>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>> should
>>>> probably wait.
>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>> me
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We
>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop
>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler,
>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>> and
>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>> do
>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>> to
>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>> nagdu:
>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40suddenli
>>>> nk.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:24:13 -0700
>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000027687392 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi rj I got a dog partially because my husband thought it would be a
>>>> good
>>>> idea, but mostly I got one because we lived in a neighborhood where the
>>>> corners aren't straight across from each other and I was having trouble
>>>> crossing streets straight and people tended to park boats across their
>>>> driveways and my cane slipped underneath one and I hit it at chest
>>>> level.
>>> I
>>>> still knows how to use a cane but enjoy the companionship with a dog.
>>>>
>>>> sheila leigland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000201cce527$4f312d90$ed9388b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her
>>> a
>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>> this
>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>> and
>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>>> it
>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>> them
>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>> think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:35:12 -0500
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <B09A299BFDD24E7BA307D57EAC1D3BE8 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use of
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> guide
>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel. Mr.
>>>> Sandefur
>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>> experience, he
>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>> travel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>> accomplish
>>>> his goal of
>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to
>>>> no
>>>> longer pursue
>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up
>>>> to
>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>> apply
>>>> for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>>>> supposed
>>>> to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future? My
>>>> mentel
>>>> health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>> them
>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>> care
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> t
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:37:17 -0500
>>>> From: Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAPyV18+rU1CmWVKONB9wHDdN9FmTgBm08BBnZkHAL6VBqQTLRA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>> the rice.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>> her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rolosgirl%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:20 -0700
>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000045192255 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Our vet recomends cutting way back on food and over a few days gradually
>>>> increase to the amounts she is use to. Changes of water and routein can
>>>> interfere with their systems for a while. Make sure she is drinking
>>>> water
>>>> though
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:39:57 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <E35983A8-C9C1-4AEB-88BB-CAD4F4FE9CB2 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>> would
>>> do
>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>> I've
>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>> and,
>>> at
>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>> as
>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>> her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:48:56 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000401cce529$e43af270$acb0d750$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Yes, she has been drinking lots and lots of water!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:40 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>> would
>>> do
>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>> I've
>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>> and,
>>> at
>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>> as
>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>> got
>>>> very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>> having.
>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.co
>>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nk.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 16
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:04:15 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <25C969D157174B5FB1F6AFE8A9852A32 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>> because
>>>> i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations, and i
>>>> personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and
>>>> scaled
>>>> friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 17
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:09:48 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <CF213EEF259748EBADCE6E31D96FAD54 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>> your
>>>> vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once you
>>> take
>>>> the dog home
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 18
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:10:50 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <679B261F-B6F5-4B6A-8D9B-87E64C41D92D at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> I think what William has said here is good advice.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>> once
>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 19
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <64281422A75447F0B6E91BDF5C5A34EC at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>> Well,
>>>> sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>>> faster
>>>> with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run with
>>>> Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big
>>> deal!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>me
>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We
>>>>>
>>>>>do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>>>>church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>>stop
>>>>>making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>traveler,
>>>>>they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>>and
>>>>>they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>>do
>>>>>not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>>>>just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>>>to
>>>>>feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>responcibility. RJ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 20
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:37:02 -0500
>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>> Message-ID: <11E4FC18C0FB4007B1B240B53FA7B1BE at jessicasearsPC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>> other
>>>> doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me
>>>> after
>>> I
>>>> get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in Orlando
>>>> for
>>> 3
>>>> years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home town before
>>>> getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>> Jess
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>>>> of
>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>> involved?
>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>>> PA,
>>>>> in
>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>> and
>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>> He
>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>> my
>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>> moving
>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>>> even
>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>> focused
>>>>> and
>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing well
>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 21
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:38:42 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <D8ACDFC3CB6F4865A2BBA15BE2AB3FA8 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't get
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to
>>>> it!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>> want
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>> you
>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>> for
>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>> answer
>>>>>
>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>> My
>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>> and
>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>> me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 22
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:09 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <4C6554F919D0499BB17B523B03B4675E at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Tami, you just wanted to look like a poodle! RJ, at least you don't
>>>> have
>>> to
>>>> take the cane out to poop when its well below zero outside! Oh, I
>>>> forgot,
>>>> it never does that down in the everglades!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> you have to put up with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>> love
>>>>>
>>>>> that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I prefer
>>>>> dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>>>>> hassles.
>>>>> /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse from staff
>>>>> at
>>>>> the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a cane
>>>>> afterwards
>>>>> was making the original injuries worse by leaps and bounds, and there
>>>>> was
>>>>> no way I could ever hope to start getting the injuries healed while
>>>>> using
>>>>> a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those injuries and other events
>>>>> at
>>>>> the time I was there brought my old fibromyalgia out of remission -- or
>>>>> caused a whole new onset, as it seems to me -- I needed to deal with
>>>>> the
>>>>> travel problem and became physically unable to even *think* about the
>>>>> rigors of a guide dog program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she
>>>>> proved to have "the right stuff," just up and trained her myself.
>>>>> /smile/
>>>>> I had tons of training experience since I was too young to remember, so
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> knew I had the right stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project.
>>>>> I
>>>>> still sometimes find myself going about with my super duper poodle
>>>>> guide
>>>>> and feel suddenly shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>>
>>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling
>>>>> brown
>>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>>> my!
>>>>>
>>>>> Who needs it?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions.
>>>>> Remembering
>>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>>> maddening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on
>>>>> the
>>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>>>>> of
>>>>> it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you
>>>>> will
>>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it
>>>>> out
>>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better
>>>>> options.
>>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug. If
>>>>> they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>>> fine.
>>>>> People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't think
>>>>> anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going to
>>> risk
>>>>>
>>>>> my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But she
>>> can't
>>>>>
>>>>> do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive non-law-abiding drivers
>>>>> with no protection between us and them. Sooner or later... So. That's
>>>>> my
>>>>> decision. If I make the wrong decision to please someone else, they
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be haunted for the rest of their broken, crippled lives by what they
>>>>> let
>>>>> happen to a really great dog, will they? Nope!
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play
>>>>> in
>>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to
>>>>> make
>>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>>
>>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>> me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 23
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:42:14 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <76F70DF180B8461EB814D667D8FF0C55 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> How's it going with Princess anyway?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and
>>>>> yes
>>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>> Pilot
>>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can
>>> get
>>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>>>> should
>>>>> probably wait.
>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>>> We
>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>> to
>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop
>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler,
>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>> and
>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>> only
>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>> to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40suddenli
>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 24
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:56 -0500
>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <1FAE387A60FE41C59A2E51B25E5EA326 at jessicasearsPC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> Knowing your area as good as I do I will say it is not a dog area. There
>>> are
>>>> no sidewalks and no transpo. I will say a dog is a huge responsibility
>>>> but
>>>> for me it is worth it every time he gets me around things, licks my
>>>> hand,
>>> or
>>>> even puts his paws on me to say lets play. When I got a dog I will be
>>> honest
>>>> in saying I had no clue what I was in for. The first 6 months were
>>>> definitely stressful on both of us but we worked hard through and am so
>>>> blessed to have him. Think hard about the choice and no that is not an
>>>> excuse you are making. Though some schools pay for some vet care most
>>>> require you to put it out first before getting refunded later. It is all
>>> up
>>>> to you and only you know inside what is best for you. Good luck.
>>>> Jess
>>>> Jess
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>> driven
>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>> to
>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>> I
>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 25
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:49:32 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <F2F9145478A64DE8B1E323FAF60F4330 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>> we
>>> go
>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>> she
>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 26
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:52:12 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000601cce532$baec36f0$30c4a4d0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I just wanted
>>> to
>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me everyday.
>>> She's
>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>> we
>>> go
>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>> she
>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>> having.
>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 27
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:53:08 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <E248AD4EC6E74C3E8CF395C5A4039FB4 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> You'll know! Just don't let others tell you what you need! I have seen
>>>> folks who think they need a dog because they're doctors tell them that's
>>>> they should have! However, they're mobility skills are not gode and
>>>> some
>>>> don't even like dogs!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use
>>>>> of
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> guide
>>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel.
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Sandefur
>>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>>> experience, he
>>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>>> travel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>> his goal of
>>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer pursue
>>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>>>> apply for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>>>>> supposed to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the
>>>>> future?
>>>>> My mentel health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>>>> was always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>> want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>>>> you had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a
>>> lot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to
>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>> for me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't
>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>> how you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all
>>> blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>>>>>> you need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>> don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when
>>>>>>> they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it
>>>>>>>> is
>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>>>>>> excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in
>>>>>>>> order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do
>>>>>>>> you as guide dog users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it
>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> check ups. It is an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 28
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <4389FF66D4F84F1090039553D1440AD9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>> dump!
>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>> not
>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>> the rice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>>>> her a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 29
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:08 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <91E8F75953C443A5A0BA051DA3DE03E9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> I know you bill! You got a dog just so you could have a friend that
>>>> would
>>>> have to listen to you!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>>>> because i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations,
>>>>> and i personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned
>>>>> and
>>>>> scaled friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 30
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000801cce533$8d9d2280$a8d76780$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she
>>>> did
>>>> when we got home.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>> dump!
>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>> not
>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 31
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:01:24 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <B7B8725372124235A8F42E96C943FA01 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>> because
>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>> beggars!
>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>> treats
>>>> always and of many types!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>> once
>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 32
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:08:07 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000a01cce534$f413f330$dc3bd990$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I've definitely noticed that. Do you think Princess got sick from
>>>> the
>>>> milk bones? I mean she's never had them before... the Petco grooming
>>>> salon
>>>> people seem to think it's the milk bones that made her have diarrhea...
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>> because
>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>> beggars!
>>>>
>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>> treats
>>>> always and of many types!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>> once you take the dog home William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 33
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:13 -0500
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <02B6FD20C6754A00BF5166F4F1621825 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>>> think
>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>>>> much
>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>> run
>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a
>>> big
>>>>>
>>>>> deal!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>>me
>>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>Florida.
>>>>>>We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>driven
>>>>>>to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>>>>think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 34
>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:58 -0600
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <4F3080B2.5010300 at neb.rr.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> RJ,
>>>>
>>>> I think it doesn't matter what I think! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not you get a guide dog is totally, completely all you. You
>>>> are the one who is going to have to train with the dog, take care of the
>>>> dog, clean up poop and foot the bills. You are also the one who would
>>>> be traveling with the dog. If you feel you would prefer to work a dog
>>>> than use a cane, then go for it. If not, just say no.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why your family or mobility instructor don't feel you
>>>> would benefit from a guide. That is an entirely different issue
>>>> though. Some family members get upset by the idea of guide dogs because
>>>> they feel the dog will do the job they used to do. Some mobility
>>>> instructors feel guide dogs are only for totally blind people or blind
>>>> people with poor O&M. That isn't true though. I am a very good cane
>>>> traveler as are many of the people on this list. And I know people who
>>>> are really not so great with a cane and do not want a dog. It really
>>>> comes down to personal choice.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with whatever you choose,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/2012 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>> you decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>> tell me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in
>>>>> Okeechobee Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I
>>>>> practually have to be driven to church, the store etc. Others from
>>>>> people at church are telling me to stop making excuses, and get a
>>>>> dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not
>>>>> trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and they tell me
>>>>> that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have
>>>>> the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just
>>>>> making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 35
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0500
>>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <011101cce539$e9e50a20$2cdbe504 at o4r3f1>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>
>>>> I'm so glad Princess did so well on the flight home. Now as far as
>>> Princess
>>>> goes I would follow the recommendations of what your vet told you to do.
>>>> Good luck and I hope Princess feels better soon. Take care.
>>>>
>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 36
>>>> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
>>>> From: t21114 at optonline.net
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <e651ecee2a7fb.4f308436 at optonline.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> hi Hannah,
>>>> Glad you trip home with Princess was good. Just be patient with her as
>>>> everything is new to her and she doesn't know what's going on. New place
>>> and
>>>> new people.
>>>> Marilyn and Anna
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hannah Chadwick
>>>> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:53 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I
>>>>> just wanted to
>>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me
>>>>> everyday. She's
>>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly
>>>>> had some
>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so.
>>>>> Also, when we go
>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much.
>>>>> Se4nce she
>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>> > Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>> fantastic
>>>>> > job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>> *smile*.> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much
>>>>> and I believe it's
>>>>> > due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>>>>> etc. I gave
>>>>> > her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>> not to
>>>>> > feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>> Friday
>>>>> > night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>> milk
>>>>> > bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>> been
>>>>> > super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>> on
>>>>> > Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by
>>>>> yesterday,
>>>>> > she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning
>>>>> because I
>>>>> > got very worried.
>>>>> > The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on
>>>>> white rice
>>>>> > and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few
>>>>> days
>>>>> > because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a
>>>>> little
>>>>> > hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and
>>>>> again that
>>>>> > we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>> to having.
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>> > Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and
>>>>> cottage
>>>>> > cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food
>>>>> they
>>>>> > have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> > Cheers, Hannah
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 37
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:07:53 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <7B2E2A14BC7048C0BA7B341D4C654721 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>> glades
>>>> lol
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 38
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <F0B7E49242F24C78ADBCB3D45BE332F8 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 39
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:12:05 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <2A902EDA07834170B923047BF1A5148B at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> bite me lolol
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 40
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:14:11 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <E0296F5BC609475DBB33E60BF96A4264 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 41
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:16:43 -0500
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <777EA0DE56CB46B49D8106AF668A0DE9 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Gaters love them some human, and guide dog on top of that if you're not
>>>> carefull RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>> glades
>>>>>
>>>>> lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> nagdu:
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>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 42
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:20:47 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <05B78F64214A4E7AB5B3C2625678BA05 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Well, the dog is normal! The sniffer is online!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she
>>> did
>>>>> when we got home.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>> dump!
>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rolosgirl%40gmail.
>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 43
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:22:58 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <9432D2FC6DFA426D83D7028ED48870B6 at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Well, isn't Lynard a labragator?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>> glades
>>>>>
>>>>> lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 44
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:33 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <1AAD8255744E4128B5D1FB0917EABDCC at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Not!!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 45
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:24:04 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <41DB924FDAAC41FEBBB3C546CB38178A at yourec0540d030>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave that to Lynard!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bite me lolol William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 46
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:27:33 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <599BF7133C3E49FB834201E5005F4AF7 at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> labrigater or labricarpet depending on what time it is lol
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 47
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:30:26 -0500
>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <10485F40135247109F447BF097331A8A at Babylon5>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> he don't bite, he just licks and licks and licks lol
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 48
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:07 -0700
>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <FEFFCF640DEC457696CF8FE3C390ABB3 at bibi>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>> the
>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>> can
>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>> skin
>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>> chop
>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for
>>> the
>>>> dog to digest.
>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>> your
>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and
>>> it
>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup
>>>> of
>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>> tell
>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>> what
>>>> they have to say.
>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>> rich
>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>> brown
>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he
>>> had
>>>> constant gas.
>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>> it
>>> so
>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings
>>>> or
>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
>>>> vet.
>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>> the
>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 49
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0700
>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] My Adventure and Odie's new bone
>>>> Message-ID: <906BE1D47AF34A6F85FE2F2559703AA1 at bibi>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>> Today was my adventure outtside, especially after being kept indoors for
>>>> over seventy-two hours, three days.
>>>> My friend Amanda Dreher and I both left our working dogs at home and
>>>> took
>>>> the plunge upon the challenge that lie ahead of us.
>>>> That challenge was having to climb over big mounds of snow drifts that
>>> were
>>>> everywhere.
>>>> Even when I went outtside to catch the route38 bus, I had to climb over
>>> the
>>>> large snow bank and stand in the gutter to wait for the bus.
>>>> Once the bus pulled up, I flagged the driver down to indicated I wanted
>>> him.
>>>> While out and about, I bought Amanda her birthday present which was a
>>>> box
>>> of
>>>> chocolate Truffles from cee's Candy and then did another purchase at
>>> Petco.
>>>> I ended up buying some nature's Miracle to have around in case Odie were
>>> to
>>>> have another indoor accident or get sick.
>>>> I ended up buying him a bone filled with peanutbutter filling on the
>>> inside.
>>>> He loves those kind of bones and enjoys licking the inside filling out
>>>> of
>>>> it.
>>>> It also does help keep his teeth clean, the outtside part as when he is
>>>> chewing on it, the scraping will get the tardor off.
>>>> Of course, Dale and I still brush his teeth with using a small amount of
>>>> baking soda by turning it into a paste.
>>>> He doesn't like that, but at least it helps prevent build up or vacteria
>>> in
>>>> his mouth.
>>>> I usually don't buy a bone on a continuous basis, but will get Odie one
>>> once
>>>> in a great while.
>>>> He has plenty from Dog Savvy that are organtic and a few from Petsmart
>>> that
>>>> have sweet potatoe filling on the inside.
>>>> Thankfully, I won't have to venture back out again until Thursday.
>>>> I'll admit that the February, 2012 is the worst blizard for its time as
>>>> of
>>>> right now.
>>>> Still, I'm greatful for all of that snow to help clean the air up.
>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 50
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:39:21 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>> Message-ID: <E84F2944-445A-4FC7-ADE4-BA68B240F218 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, that conjures up picts. But would your dog do that while in
>>>> harness
>>> at
>>>> the wedding? LOL.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>>>> other doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with
>>> me
>>>>> after I get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in
>>>>> Orlando for 3 years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home
>>>>> town before getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>>> Jess
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>> of
>>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>> PA,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>> campus.
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>> my
>>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>> moving
>>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>>> focused
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>> is
>>>>>> doing well
>>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 51
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:40:10 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <0D04B330-2924-4872-AF33-DE2FE49B2331 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Well, I didn't want one either, but when I did decide my decision wasn't
>>>> based on if anybody thought I needed one or not. The decision was fully
>>>> mine, and I got it because of pain in my hands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't
>>>>> get
>>> a
>>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to
>>> it!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>> you
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>> you
>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>> them
>>> I
>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>> excuses.
>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>> care
>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 52
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:48:45 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>> Message-ID: <F7E0678B-EB49-4AEC-B9CC-20B1E2F30D56 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Vets are familiar with guide dogs. They sometimes think they are really
>>>> amazing; they are just well trained and some of their staff is more apt
>>>> to
>>>> think that. Some people really think because the dog is a dog it
>>> robotically
>>>> does the things you want it to do, but it is still a dog.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>> think
>>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>> much
>>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a
>>>>>> big deal!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>> them
>>> I
>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>> excuses.
>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>> care
>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 53
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:51:01 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <001201cce54b$b5e98630$21bc9290$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> William,
>>>> I don't believe she's ever had milk bones before...
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:14 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 54
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:56:10 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <001401cce54c$6db42720$491c7560$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> thank you Bibi! This is definitely helpful *smile*.
>>>> All the best, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Criminal Justice Major
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:58 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>> the
>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>> can
>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>> skin
>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>> chop
>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for
>>> the
>>>> dog to digest.
>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>> your
>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and
>>> it
>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup
>>>> of
>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>> tell
>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>> what
>>>> they have to say.
>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>> rich
>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>> brown
>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he
>>> had
>>>> constant gas.
>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>> it
>>> so
>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings
>>>> or
>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
>>>> vet.
>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>> the
>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:11:03 -0500
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Room
>>> Message-ID: <d448b253ba5360ab23593e5108635582.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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>>> Ugh, I've been in "the room" once. I vowed never to end up there again.
>>> I've been avoiding flying as much as possible. It's become very
>>> unpleasant. We travellers are not valued customers; we're cattle to be
>>> herded about as our masters please.
>>> I always ask at the gate if it's the right flight, and make frequent use
>>> of the toll-free number to check flight status. I think one can get a
>>> text message about flight changes as well. I have heard announcements,
>>> but
>>> sometimes they're the announcement saying my flight is boarding, and I
>>> have to run like mad somewhere I'm not.
>>> I feel your pain.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating to
>>>> say the least.
>>>>
>>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates, do
>>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going
>>>> to
>>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed gates.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:02:01 +0000
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
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>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it was
>>> human beef jerky.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of William Vandervest
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for wrestler
>>> consumption
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:12:46 -0600
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
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>>> Once I was working the NAGDU Table at convention and there were some such
>>> treats and a guy thought it was for people. LOL.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>
>>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it was
>>>> human beef jerky.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for wrestler
>>>> consumption
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:24 -0800
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
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> Hi Mark:
>
> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind apparently) I
> think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first got
> bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the rules
> from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets to him.
> He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing this.
> Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at his dish.
> Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>
> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too. Because he
> wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and rice
> rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7 and were
> only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was silly to spend
> so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had our supper. Before
> I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear him eating around
> 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding until supper the
> next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it. Bogart was at the vet last
> week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So whatever we have worked
> out seems to be working for him.
>
> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Cindy,
>>
>>
>>
>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>
>>
>> >I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>> old and it was a long time ago.
>> >
>> >CL
>> >
>> >On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>> >
>> >>I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>> of emptying his bowl.
>> >>
>> >>Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>> >>
>> >>Meghan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>> >>>Not eating
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>Mark
>> >>>
>> >>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
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> Does that meen you are getting your first Guide Dog? I can help you with any
> thing if you need. I'm not the smartest person; I just have my first Dog.
> Please feel free to call me at 817-929-5231 John Vickers
>
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>>Good luck :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Rachel Krieg
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:48 AM
>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>Subject: [nagdu] update
>>
>>Hi, all.
>>
>>I have my interview with Guide Dogs of America this morning at 11 so if you
>>all could keep me in your thoughts and prayers I would greatly appreciate
>>it. Thanks.
>>Rachel
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:33:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog
> grooming = wicked amazing!
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> I was wanting to know how long do you leav them; and how do you know when to
> stop cutting. John Vickers
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>>Thank you Julie. I'll definitely look in to it :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Julie J.
>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:45 AM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog grooming
>>= wicked amazing!
>>
>>Hannah,
>>
>>I use two different tools, a traditional nail trimmer and the PediPaws nail
>>grinder.
>>
>>First the traditional nail clippers. I've tried several
>>brands/quality/styles. I'd highly recommend spending the money for some
>>really good clippers. The cheap ones either won't work at all or will
>>crush and splinter the nail. I think the kind I'm using right now cost
>>around $15 and should last at least for the next 10 years. You can usually
>>buy replacement blades for the more high quality clippers, but by the time
>> I
>>need a replacement blade, I've forgotten what brand I have or where I got
>>them.
>>
>>Anyhow, the way I trim nails is to position the nail in the hole made by
>> the
>>open clipper blades. I use a finger on the tip of the nail to check how
>>much is poking through, which is how much will be trimmed off. I generally
>>go a tiny bit at a time, preferring to make repeat cuts if necessary rather
>>than risking taking off too much. I have trimmed too short before.
>>
>>The second method is some sort of grinder. Several people on this list use
>>grinders. Tracy comes to mind. she has a much more powerful grinder and
>>can get the job done very quickly. I have the PediPaws. It
>>does eventually get the job done, but you have to be patient. With a
>>grinder you basically rub or swipe the end of the nail to take off the
>>desired amount of material.
>>
>>Different people prefer different methods as do the dogs. the nail grinder
>>makes a bit of noise and will vibrate the nail. I used a bit of hot dog to
>>get both of my dogs used to this. I don't think it's their
>>favorite thing in the world, but they don't fuss either. I find the
>>traditional clippers faster, but they require more skill and they leave
>>a sharp edge. Belle doesn't mind the regular clippers so much. I tend
>>to use them more when I can immediately take her for a walk on cement,
>> which
>>wears off the sharp edges.
>>
>>HTH
>>Julie
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:04:10 -0600
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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> Julie,
> Your point is valid, but there is a continuum of where persons who are
> diagnosed with a form of dementia or Alzheimer's in terms of where they are
> in their memory. Thos with advanced are most likely not able to even being
> to consider such a dog, and from my experience, many times transition from
> their home to assisted living to a nursing home. My guess, is that this
> would focus on the early to medium range end of the dementia spectrum.
> JMO,
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:56 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>
> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any sort of
> disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface of what dogs
> can be taught to do.
>
> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they going to
> remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to relieve or give
> the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give dementia
>> sufferers a new life
>>
>> By George Arbuthnott
>>
>>
>>
>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for the deaf.
>> Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering from
>> dementia.
>>
>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people to take
>> their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with undressing and
>> help out around the home.
>>
>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond to an
>> alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with memory loss
>> needs to take medication.
>>
>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling on
>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>
>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>
>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that their
>> owner would make when in distress.
>>
>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone or bark
>> loudly to raise the alarm.
>>
>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>> dementia to undress.
>>
>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that requires
>> a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a cupboard door, the
>> dog can open it.
>>
>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to pull at
>> the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>
>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding, but needs
>> to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later this year.
>>
>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the 750,000
>> Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their independence for longer.
>>
>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using ?positive
>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task correctly,
>> they get a treat.
>>
>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer Scotland,
>> gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have been used to
>> assist those with dementia.
>>
>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>> cupboards can be opened
>>
>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are really
>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also provide
>> great emotional support.
>>
>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog will be
>> a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>
>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest other
>> ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>
>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the funding
>> is raised.
>>
>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative way to
>> improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>
>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership with
>> the Department of Health was offering funding for projects that helped
>> those with early-stage dementia.
>>
>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities Dogs For
>> The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with similar
>> skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>
>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by 2021 and
>> 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of those with the
>> condition are undiagnosed.
>>
>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways that
>> dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:41:53 -0700
> From: "Rachel Krieg" <serenityangel1983 at gmail.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] another update
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> Hi, all.
>
> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
> dog.
> Rachel
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:09:50 -0800
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
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> garry, I think you are right.
> smile. .
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:26 PM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Mark:
>>
>> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind apparently)
>> I think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first
>> got bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the
>> rules from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets
>> to him. He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing
>> this. Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at his
>> dish. Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>>
>> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too. Because
>> he wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and
>> rice rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7
>> and were only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was
>> silly to spend so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had
>> our supper. Before I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear him
>> eating around 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding
>> until supper the next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it. Bogart
>> was at the vet last week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So
>> whatever we have worked out seems to be working for him.
>>
>> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
>> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>>
>>>
>>>> I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>>> old and it was a long time ago.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>>> of emptying his bowl.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Meghan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>> Not eating
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:59:14 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
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> Rachael,
> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in soon
> if you're already a graduate from there...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Rachel Krieg
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
> dog.
> Rachel
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>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:17:27 -0800
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
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> Hey ratchel.
> All the best.
> from rhonda.
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Rachael,
>> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in
>> soon
>> if you're already a graduate from there...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Rachel Krieg
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>> dog.
>> Rachel
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:56:50 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
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> Hi all,
> I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
> Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in no
> time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will damage
> her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
> managed...
> The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet because
> she works at a vet clinic...
> Any thoughts?
> All the best, Hannah and Princess
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:21:25 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> A few times now, people have mentioned their dogs tearing up toys or
> chewing through bones at an alarming and potentially unsafe rate. My
> recommendation to remedy the problem is to get a goughnut. I am not trying
> to make a sales pitch. It has just been my experience that even the best
> chewers take months to finally damage the toy enough to be replaced.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:15:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
> Message-ID:
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>
> She should be ok; just watch her, and make shure that she does not get sick;
> they are ment, for dogs; I don't think she will have a problem. John
> Vickers, and Marcella the GuideDog Team!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:56 PM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
>>Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in no
>>time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will damage
>>her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
>>managed...
>>The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet
>> because
>>she works at a vet clinic...
>>Any thoughts?
>>All the best, Hannah and Princess
>>
>>
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