[nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
Juanita Herrera
juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 07:58:32 UTC 2012
Hi,
I went to Guide Dogs For The Blind, and we get to meet the puppy
raisers on the day of graduation as well. I keep in touch with Anise's
puppy raisers on a regular basis, and they certainly have helped with
recommendations as to what Anise does or doesn't like. For instance,
they told me what toothpaste she prefers, and they even sent her home
with some of the toys she had when she was with them. I really think
that being able to stay in touch with the puppy raisers is an
essential thing.
Best Wishes,
Juanita And Anise
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> 1. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Cindy Ray)
> 2. meating the puppy raisers (Lea williams)
> 3. Re: Returning to List (Hannah Chadwick)
> 4. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Tracy Carcione)
> 5. Re: meating the puppy raisers (Cindy Ray)
> 6. Re: Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted (Buddy Brannan)
> 7. Re: Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted (Margo and Arrow)
> 8. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 9. Re: meating the puppy raisers (Hannah Chadwick)
> 10. Re: Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
> (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 11. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Hannah Chadwick)
> 12. Re: Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted (Buddy Brannan)
> 13. Re: meeting the puppy raisers (Shanna Stichler)
> 14. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 15. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Hannah Chadwick)
> 16. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Cindy Ray)
> 17. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 18. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Cindy Ray)
> 19. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Larry D. Keeler)
> 20. goughnut (Cindy Ray)
> 21. Re: meeting the puppy raisers (Tracy Carcione)
> 22. Re: meeting the puppy raisers (Cindy Ray)
> 23. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Cindy Ray)
> 24. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 25. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Tracy Carcione)
> 26. Re: Canine flu vaccine (Tracy Carcione)
> 27. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (William Vandervest)
> 28. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (William Vandervest)
> 29. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Larry D. Keeler)
> 30. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Larry D. Keeler)
> 31. Re: Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Larry D. Keeler)
> 32. guide dog cargo while on the go. (Lea williams)
> 33. Re: Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe (Natalie)
> 34. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Marsha Drenth)
> 35. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Larry D. Keeler)
> 36. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Sheila Leigland)
> 37. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (Criminal Justice Major)
> 38. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Lea williams)
> 39. Re: Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 40. Re: meating the puppy raisers (Sheila Leigland)
> 41. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 42. Re: meating the puppy raisers (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 43. Re: meating the puppy raisers (Hannah Chadwick)
> 44. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Larry D. Keeler)
> 45. Re: guide dog cargo while on the go. (Larry D. Keeler)
> 46. Re: New Guide Dog Usser (Juanita Herrera)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:08:20 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You can
> get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they may be
> purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate. They have a
> red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it is freen, the
> thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not let the dog have it
> anymore because the toy has been compromised. They have a lifetime
> guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
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>> Hi Nicole,
>>
>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>
>> Lori and the Gipper
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> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:04:37 -0500
> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
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> Hey i am not sure how this works with all the schools, but when do you
> normally get to meet the puppy raisers?
>
> I know how the school I am going to does it. I am going to guiding
> eyes and we do on graduation day.
>
> After reading a few emails on here I got to wonder why people can't
> asked the puppy raisers what kind of toys and things that their dog
> might like rather than having to try to figure it out completely
> themselves?
> I asked one about it and was told that Pilot won't let you meet the
> raisers until after six months.
>
> How do you feel about how your school does this? Do you mind or not?
> Would you rather it different?
> What were some benifits to meeting your puppy raisers? What kinds of
> things did you learn about your dog when you did?
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:16:55 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Yes, I definitely will have to agree with that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Shanna Stichler
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:57 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Returning to List
>
> I think the adjustment is hard for all involved, dog and handler. I remember
> feeling completely overwhelmed at times with my first guide. WE eventually
> found our rhythm, but it definitely took more time than I expected it would.
>
> Shanna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:07 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Returning to List
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> And you.
> I am not kidding when I say adjusting to being a mom was easier, a whole lot
> easier.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Hannah Chadwick
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:49 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Returning to List
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> Thank you Shanna. Princess is a great dog too but the adjustment period is
> probably difficult on her.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Shanna Stichler
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:11 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Returning to List
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> Hi Hannah,
>
> Bestt of luck with Princess. I have a friend who owns a black Poodle, and he
> is a wonderful dog!
>
> Take care,
>
> Shanna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hannah Chadwick
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:47 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Returning to List
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> Welcome to the list Shanna. My name is Hannah and I recently got my first
> dog, Princess. She is from Pilot dogs and she's a black poodle. I hope you
> enjoy the list and I look forwaed to your posts.
> Best, Hannah and Princess
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Shanna Stichler
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:54 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Returning to List
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Shanna, and I used to post on this list a few years ago. I
> stopped doing the listserv thing due to time constraints, but have a bit
> more time to participate again.
>
> Anyway, I?m currently working Nestl?, a female black Labrador trained at
> GDB?s
> San Rafael campus. Up until a couple months ago, I worked for that
> organization in their Training Department, but left in order to further
> pursue a PHD.
>
> My current dog is about to turn 8, so I am beginning the process of planning
> for her retirement, whenever that may be. I am seriously considering
> owner-training my next dog, hence the advance preparation. I think there are
> some owner-trainers on list, so I?m hoping to use this forum as a resource.
>
> I look forward to meeting all of you and contributing where I can.
>
> Best,
> Shanna
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:17:32 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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> Hi Hannah.
> Isn't she just getting over a bout of the runs, requiring a bland diet?
> I'd withhold any new food for at least a couple weeks, and then only give
> a new food one at a time. Of course, you didn't know she'd snarf the
> bone. Still, you know she has reactions to food, so go easy when you give
> her something new. One new thing, like a greenie, rather than two.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Yeah she's reacting to something right now, but I'm not sure what so far.
>> I
>> also ordered greenies and got a bag of dental chews. She had a dental chew
>> the day before yesterday and she ate a couple of greenies yesterday plus
>> the
>> bone she managed to eat. I'm not saying I give her a ton of treats because
>> I
>> don't but I'm figuring out what she can handle and what she can't since
>> she
>> has a very sensitive stomach it seems...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:13 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>> They must have been. My dogs tear those things up but the nyla bones just
>> get chewed and become rough. Wonderful things to step on! So far, I've
>> never worried about those edible things. My dogs haven't gotten sick from
>> them yet, even though they wolf them down!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>>
>>> Julie,
>>> I believe they were the edible bones but I didn't know that when I
>>> ordered it. I'm definitely staying away from them now /smile/.
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:20 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>> Hannah,
>>>
>>> Were the bones intended to be eaten or were they the sort to only be
>>> chewed?
>>> There are bones or hard chews that are made to actually be eaten.
>>> Greenies
>>> and these things made with corn starch come to mind.
>>> then there are bones intended to only be chewed that don't or
>>> shouldn't go to pieces.
>>>
>>> If you bought the first type Princess should be fine unless she
>>> swallowed a huge chunk or the ingredients don't agree with her. Given
>>> your difficulties with her digestion, I think I'd stay away from this
>>> sort of thing. If the bone was the variety that isn't supposed to be
>>> eaten and she swallowed big pieces, you could have a problem. Sorry,
>>> I don't mean to worry you.
>>>
>>> I think if it were me, I'd find out what the friend finds out from the
>>> vet who looks at the other uneaten bone and do whatever the vet
>>> suggests. I think I'd also stay far away from edible bones in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>> Let us know how it turns out,
>>> Julie
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:22:36 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
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> At TSE we don't meet the puppy raisers. They sometimes give some good puppy
> profiles that tell what the pups like; all of them don't. I don't mind this
> so much, though I wish I could personally write the person and thank that
> person. You can write, but it goes to TSE and they take out stuff that might
> let the raiser know who you are. I think they do that anyway, but that isn't
> official and I don't mean to say something that isn't true. The raiser gets
> a picture of the pup when it is joined with a handler and the information
> that it went to a female/male and in what part of the country, but unless
> things have changed, that's about it. I'm good with it. I don't feel I have
> to hold myself up to any puppy raiser's standards and the dog is mine all
> mine, and I think it is some better for the raiser, too, though different of
> them may feel differently about it.
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:41:38 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
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> Nope. I definitely meant to send it here. I may have not sent the original
> post here mentioning these headphones, but it really is relevant. Think of
> using a talking GPS. Speaker placement is very difficult, and putting things
> over or in your ears isn't exactly the safest option. The Aftershokz
> headphones would plug into your GPS, and they actually fit in front of your
> ears, not over them, and use your cheekbones to conduct the sound into your
> ears. Thus, you have the GPS directions (or whatever), and also don't
> compromise hearing sound in your environment that would alert you to
> trouble. Since these could potentially make travel with navigational aids
> much safer, I believe it's certainly relevant.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Um, I think that you may have meant to send this to a different list???
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:47 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Last month, I posted about the Aftershokz bone conduction headphones.
>>> Well, I got mine, and I love them! Here is the review of the headphones
>>> by me and Mike Calvo:
>>>
>>> http://serotalk.com/2012/02/21/a-review-of-the-aftershockz-bone-conduction-headphones/
>>>
>>> Again, you will need an adapter to use these with the Kapten Plus. I have
>>> not tried this yet, but I see no reason it would be a problem.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:49:28 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
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> I think it's relevant, especially when your ears can be freed to listen for
> those things one's ears listen to.
>
> Buddy, let's see, how to ask this question. the Aftershokz are in front of
> your ears. What's it like, say, to hear something your gps is saying and
> something you are listening for with your ears such as traffic. By the
> headphones not being over or in your ears, do the sounds have the same
> volume? Does your brain seem to process the two sounds as more separated
> than, say, if the headphones were over or in your ears?
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>
>
>> Nope. I definitely meant to send it here. I may have not sent the original
>>
>> post here mentioning these headphones, but it really is relevant. Think of
>>
>> using a talking GPS. Speaker placement is very difficult, and putting
>> things over or in your ears isn't exactly the safest option. The
>> Aftershokz headphones would plug into your GPS, and they actually fit in
>> front of your ears, not over them, and use your cheekbones to conduct the
>> sound into your ears. Thus, you have the GPS directions (or whatever), and
>>
>> also don't compromise hearing sound in your environment that would alert
>> you to trouble. Since these could potentially make travel with
>> navigational aids much safer, I believe it's certainly relevant.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Um, I think that you may have meant to send this to a different list???
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:47 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Last month, I posted about the Aftershokz bone conduction headphones.
>>>> Well, I got mine, and I love them! Here is the review of the headphones
>>>> by me and Mike Calvo:
>>>>
>>>> http://serotalk.com/2012/02/21/a-review-of-the-aftershockz-bone-conduction-headphones/
>>>>
>>>> Again, you will need an adapter to use these with the Kapten Plus. I
>>>> have not tried this yet, but I see no reason it would be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:53:38 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave them
> laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost rolled
> out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>>A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You can
>>get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they may be
>>purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate. They have
>>a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it is freen, the
>>thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not let the dog have
>>it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They have a lifetime
>>guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>
>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Lori and the Gipper
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:54:52 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
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> Yes, I would definitely love to thank Princess's raiser.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
>
> At TSE we don't meet the puppy raisers. They sometimes give some good puppy
> profiles that tell what the pups like; all of them don't. I don't mind this
> so much, though I wish I could personally write the person and thank that
> person. You can write, but it goes to TSE and they take out stuff that might
> let the raiser know who you are. I think they do that anyway, but that isn't
> official and I don't mean to say something that isn't true. The raiser gets
> a picture of the pup when it is joined with a handler and the information
> that it went to a female/male and in what part of the country, but unless
> things have changed, that's about it. I'm good with it. I don't feel I have
> to hold myself up to any puppy raiser's standards and the dog is mine all
> mine, and I think it is some better for the raiser, too, though different of
> them may feel differently about it.
> Cindy
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:55:41 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
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> Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>
>
>> Nope. I definitely meant to send it here. I may have not sent the original
>>
>> post here mentioning these headphones, but it really is relevant. Think of
>>
>> using a talking GPS. Speaker placement is very difficult, and putting
>> things over or in your ears isn't exactly the safest option. The
>> Aftershokz headphones would plug into your GPS, and they actually fit in
>> front of your ears, not over them, and use your cheekbones to conduct the
>> sound into your ears. Thus, you have the GPS directions (or whatever), and
>>
>> also don't compromise hearing sound in your environment that would alert
>> you to trouble. Since these could potentially make travel with
>> navigational aids much safer, I believe it's certainly relevant.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Um, I think that you may have meant to send this to a different list???
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:47 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Last month, I posted about the Aftershokz bone conduction headphones.
>>>> Well, I got mine, and I love them! Here is the review of the headphones
>>>> by me and Mike Calvo:
>>>>
>>>> http://serotalk.com/2012/02/21/a-review-of-the-aftershockz-bone-conduction-headphones/
>>>>
>>>> Again, you will need an adapter to use these with the Kapten Plus. I
>>>> have not tried this yet, but I see no reason it would be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:57:32 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
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> Tracy,
> She is off her diet and has been since last week.
> she's had greenies before, but only one from Petco which didn't affect her.
> I ordered some but they feel different; I'm sure they have the same
> ingredience though so it might not be them...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:18 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>
> Hi Hannah.
> Isn't she just getting over a bout of the runs, requiring a bland diet?
> I'd withhold any new food for at least a couple weeks, and then only give a
> new food one at a time. Of course, you didn't know she'd snarf the bone.
> Still, you know she has reactions to food, so go easy when you give her
> something new. One new thing, like a greenie, rather than two.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Yeah she's reacting to something right now, but I'm not sure what so far.
>> I
>> also ordered greenies and got a bag of dental chews. She had a dental
>> chew the day before yesterday and she ate a couple of greenies
>> yesterday plus the bone she managed to eat. I'm not saying I give her
>> a ton of treats because I don't but I'm figuring out what she can
>> handle and what she can't since she has a very sensitive stomach it
>> seems...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:13 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>> They must have been. My dogs tear those things up but the nyla bones
>> just get chewed and become rough. Wonderful things to step on! So
>> far, I've never worried about those edible things. My dogs haven't
>> gotten sick from them yet, even though they wolf them down!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>>
>>> Julie,
>>> I believe they were the edible bones but I didn't know that when I
>>> ordered it. I'm definitely staying away from them now /smile/.
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:20 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>> Hannah,
>>>
>>> Were the bones intended to be eaten or were they the sort to only be
>>> chewed?
>>> There are bones or hard chews that are made to actually be eaten.
>>> Greenies
>>> and these things made with corn starch come to mind.
>>> then there are bones intended to only be chewed that don't or
>>> shouldn't go to pieces.
>>>
>>> If you bought the first type Princess should be fine unless she
>>> swallowed a huge chunk or the ingredients don't agree with her.
>>> Given your difficulties with her digestion, I think I'd stay away
>>> from this sort of thing. If the bone was the variety that isn't
>>> supposed to be eaten and she swallowed big pieces, you could have a
>>> problem. Sorry, I don't mean to worry you.
>>>
>>> I think if it were me, I'd find out what the friend finds out from
>>> the vet who looks at the other uneaten bone and do whatever the vet
>>> suggests. I think I'd also stay far away from edible bones in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>> Let us know how it turns out,
>>> Julie
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
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> Hi,
>
> It's odd. The sound from the headphones is in your ears. It's a full stereo
> image. But the sound of the outside world is also in your ears. Outside
> sound can still drown out your headphones, if it's loud enough, but sound
> from the headphones, if it gets loud enough, tickles, so you probably won't
> have it too loud for too long. It's kind of hard to explain, but you really
> do get both whatever's in the headphones and an undiminished hearing of your
> immediate surroundings as well.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it's relevant, especially when your ears can be freed to listen
>> for those things one's ears listen to.
>>
>> Buddy, let's see, how to ask this question. the Aftershokz are in front
>> of your ears. What's it like, say, to hear something your gps is saying
>> and something you are listening for with your ears such as traffic. By
>> the headphones not being over or in your ears, do the sounds have the same
>> volume? Does your brain seem to process the two sounds as more separated
>> than, say, if the headphones were over or in your ears?
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>>
>>
>>> Nope. I definitely meant to send it here. I may have not sent the
>>> original post here mentioning these headphones, but it really is
>>> relevant. Think of using a talking GPS. Speaker placement is very
>>> difficult, and putting things over or in your ears isn't exactly the
>>> safest option. The Aftershokz headphones would plug into your GPS, and
>>> they actually fit in front of your ears, not over them, and use your
>>> cheekbones to conduct the sound into your ears. Thus, you have the GPS
>>> directions (or whatever), and also don't compromise hearing sound in your
>>> environment that would alert you to trouble. Since these could
>>> potentially make travel with navigational aids much safer, I believe it's
>>> certainly relevant.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Um, I think that you may have meant to send this to a different list???
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Aftershokz Headphones Review Posted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Last month, I posted about the Aftershokz bone conduction headphones.
>>>>> Well, I got mine, and I love them! Here is the review of the headphones
>>>>> by me and Mike Calvo:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://serotalk.com/2012/02/21/a-review-of-the-aftershockz-bone-conduction-headphones/
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, you will need an adapter to use these with the Kapten Plus. I
>>>>> have not tried this yet, but I see no reason it would be a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:30:08 -0600
> From: "Shanna Stichler" <slstich at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meeting the puppy raisers
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> At GDB, we also got to meet the puppy raisers on graduation day. My dog's
> raiser family is wonderful, and we keep in regular contact. I don't recall
> asking them about toys and such, but with my dog it's pretty obvious what
> she likes, I.E. everything. :)
>
> Meeting the raiser families can vary though..last time was great, the time
> before not so much. Over all, while I am personally not much interested in a
> public graduation blitz, I enjoy meeting my dog's raisers, and would do it
> again if I got another program dog.
>
> Shanna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lea williams
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
>
> Hey i am not sure how this works with all the schools, but when do you
> normally get to meet the puppy raisers?
>
> I know how the school I am going to does it. I am going to guiding
> eyes and we do on graduation day.
>
> After reading a few emails on here I got to wonder why people can't
> asked the puppy raisers what kind of toys and things that their dog
> might like rather than having to try to figure it out completely
> themselves?
> I asked one about it and was told that Pilot won't let you meet the
> raisers until after six months.
>
> How do you feel about how your school does this? Do you mind or not?
> Would you rather it different?
> What were some benifits to meeting your puppy raisers? What kinds of
> things did you learn about your dog when you did?
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:02:56 -0500
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
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>
> the greanys I got on Amazon were softer than the individual ones I get at
> the pet store. I think they are fresher or moister or something.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>
>
>> Tracy,
>> She is off her diet and has been since last week.
>> she's had greenies before, but only one from Petco which didn't affect
>> her.
>> I ordered some but they feel different; I'm sure they have the same
>> ingredience though so it might not be them...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>> Hi Hannah.
>> Isn't she just getting over a bout of the runs, requiring a bland diet?
>> I'd withhold any new food for at least a couple weeks, and then only give
>> a
>> new food one at a time. Of course, you didn't know she'd snarf the bone.
>> Still, you know she has reactions to food, so go easy when you give her
>> something new. One new thing, like a greenie, rather than two.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> Yeah she's reacting to something right now, but I'm not sure what so far.
>>> I
>>> also ordered greenies and got a bag of dental chews. She had a dental
>>> chew the day before yesterday and she ate a couple of greenies
>>> yesterday plus the bone she managed to eat. I'm not saying I give her
>>> a ton of treats because I don't but I'm figuring out what she can
>>> handle and what she can't since she has a very sensitive stomach it
>>> seems...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:13 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>> They must have been. My dogs tear those things up but the nyla bones
>>> just get chewed and become rough. Wonderful things to step on! So
>>> far, I've never worried about those edible things. My dogs haven't
>>> gotten sick from them yet, even though they wolf them down!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> I believe they were the edible bones but I didn't know that when I
>>>> ordered it. I'm definitely staying away from them now /smile/.
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:20 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>>
>>>> Hannah,
>>>>
>>>> Were the bones intended to be eaten or were they the sort to only be
>>>> chewed?
>>>> There are bones or hard chews that are made to actually be eaten.
>>>> Greenies
>>>> and these things made with corn starch come to mind.
>>>> then there are bones intended to only be chewed that don't or
>>>> shouldn't go to pieces.
>>>>
>>>> If you bought the first type Princess should be fine unless she
>>>> swallowed a huge chunk or the ingredients don't agree with her.
>>>> Given your difficulties with her digestion, I think I'd stay away
>>>> from this sort of thing. If the bone was the variety that isn't
>>>> supposed to be eaten and she swallowed big pieces, you could have a
>>>> problem. Sorry, I don't mean to worry you.
>>>>
>>>> I think if it were me, I'd find out what the friend finds out from
>>>> the vet who looks at the other uneaten bone and do whatever the vet
>>>> suggests. I think I'd also stay far away from edible bones in the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know how it turns out,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:06:34 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
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>
> Yes, the ones I got off of Amazon are more in the shape of a toothbrush lol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>
> the greanys I got on Amazon were softer than the individual ones I get at
> the pet store. I think they are fresher or moister or something.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>
>
>> Tracy,
>> She is off her diet and has been since last week.
>> she's had greenies before, but only one from Petco which didn't affect
>> her.
>> I ordered some but they feel different; I'm sure they have the same
>> ingredience though so it might not be them...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>
>> Hi Hannah.
>> Isn't she just getting over a bout of the runs, requiring a bland diet?
>> I'd withhold any new food for at least a couple weeks, and then only give
>> a
>> new food one at a time. Of course, you didn't know she'd snarf the bone.
>> Still, you know she has reactions to food, so go easy when you give her
>> something new. One new thing, like a greenie, rather than two.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> Yeah she's reacting to something right now, but I'm not sure what so far.
>>> I
>>> also ordered greenies and got a bag of dental chews. She had a dental
>>> chew the day before yesterday and she ate a couple of greenies
>>> yesterday plus the bone she managed to eat. I'm not saying I give her
>>> a ton of treats because I don't but I'm figuring out what she can
>>> handle and what she can't since she has a very sensitive stomach it
>>> seems...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:13 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>> They must have been. My dogs tear those things up but the nyla bones
>>> just get chewed and become rough. Wonderful things to step on! So
>>> far, I've never worried about those edible things. My dogs haven't
>>> gotten sick from them yet, even though they wolf them down!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> I believe they were the edible bones but I didn't know that when I
>>>> ordered it. I'm definitely staying away from them now /smile/.
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:20 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>>>>
>>>> Hannah,
>>>>
>>>> Were the bones intended to be eaten or were they the sort to only be
>>>> chewed?
>>>> There are bones or hard chews that are made to actually be eaten.
>>>> Greenies
>>>> and these things made with corn starch come to mind.
>>>> then there are bones intended to only be chewed that don't or
>>>> shouldn't go to pieces.
>>>>
>>>> If you bought the first type Princess should be fine unless she
>>>> swallowed a huge chunk or the ingredients don't agree with her.
>>>> Given your difficulties with her digestion, I think I'd stay away
>>>> from this sort of thing. If the bone was the variety that isn't
>>>> supposed to be eaten and she swallowed big pieces, you could have a
>>>> problem. Sorry, I don't mean to worry you.
>>>>
>>>> I think if it were me, I'd find out what the friend finds out from
>>>> the vet who looks at the other uneaten bone and do whatever the vet
>>>> suggests. I think I'd also stay far away from edible bones in the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know how it turns out,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:08:26 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>
>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost
>> rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>
>>
>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You can
>>> get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they may
>>> be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate. They
>>> have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it is
>>> freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not let
>>> the dog have it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They have a
>>> lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>
>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:10:42 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
> Message-ID: <1070849E25024047A59FEAC34792095C at stanford.edu>
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> LOL, until you break your neck...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost
>>> rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>
>>>
>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they
>>>> may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate.
>>>> They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it
>>>> is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not
>>>> let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They
>>>> have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:13:14 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
> Message-ID: <C05D01BB-6823-4920-8F1B-7DFC52036720 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Mine feels broken already so not sure I'd notice.
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>
>> LOL, until you break your neck...
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>
>>
>>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost
>>>> rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they
>>>>> may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate.
>>>>> They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it
>>>>> is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not
>>>>> let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They
>>>>> have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:19:17 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> reply-type=original
>
> Wigh me its squeaky toys at about 3 A.M. You know those that squeak loudly
> and stay slimy! Wakes you right up!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost
>>> rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>
>>>
>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they
>>>> may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate.
>>>> They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it
>>>> is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not
>>>> let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They
>>>> have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:16:35 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] goughnut
> Message-ID: <3860757C-7FC7-487D-967C-9EFC881B9730 at gmail.com>
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> The place I ordered these things is
> dogsgonuts.com.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:25:19 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meeting the puppy raisers
> Message-ID: <4aec367e29d6f13b790097d188aad79c.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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> I switched from GDB to TSE, so I've had both experiences. Meeting my
> puppy raisers was OK. Some I kept in touch with a bit, on a Christmas
> card level, and others not. It was nice to ask them about my dog as a
> pup, but not a big thing. It was also nice to know, if for somereason I or
> my family couldn't keep the dog after retirement, that there were people
> who knew the dog, and whom I knew, who might take him and give him a good
> home.
>
> My TSE raisers did put in Ben's puppy profile that he likes stuffed
> squeaky toys, which I would never have thought of. I'd be happy to meet
> them. I wrote to them, but they did not reply, which is fine, too.
>
> I really don't miss the graduation hoopla at all. I could happily live
> the rest of my life without going through that circus again.
> On the other hand, I think it's rather patronizing for TSE to censor what
> I choose to write to my puppy raiser, if I choose to write at all.
>
> Tracy
>
>> At GDB, we also got to meet the puppy raisers on graduation day. My dog's
>> raiser family is wonderful, and we keep in regular contact. I don't recall
>> asking them about toys and such, but with my dog it's pretty obvious what
>> she likes, I.E. everything. :)
>>
>> Meeting the raiser families can vary though..last time was great, the time
>> before not so much. Over all, while I am personally not much interested in
>> a
>> public graduation blitz, I enjoy meeting my dog's raisers, and would do it
>> again if I got another program dog.
>>
>> Shanna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lea williams
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:04 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
>>
>> Hey i am not sure how this works with all the schools, but when do you
>> normally get to meet the puppy raisers?
>>
>> I know how the school I am going to does it. I am going to guiding
>> eyes and we do on graduation day.
>>
>> After reading a few emails on here I got to wonder why people can't
>> asked the puppy raisers what kind of toys and things that their dog
>> might like rather than having to try to figure it out completely
>> themselves?
>> I asked one about it and was told that Pilot won't let you meet the
>> raisers until after six months.
>>
>> How do you feel about how your school does this? Do you mind or not?
>> Would you rather it different?
>> What were some benifits to meeting your puppy raisers? What kinds of
>> things did you learn about your dog when you did?
>>
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>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:31:40 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meeting the puppy raisers
> Message-ID: <54EA01DF-4C1F-4548-B168-8C64FDBBC47A at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> I think it is a little patronizing that TSE determines what I can say to the
> raisers or, for that matter, whether I can know who they are as well.
> However, for me there are bigger battles currently, and it's not currently a
> deal breaker for me. I do wish they would revisit their policy on it though,
> and they are aware that many people wish that.
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:32:16 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
> Message-ID: <A7CF5602-F385-4792-9512-7118B458D25D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Solution for that: keep the beast on tie down and the toys far, far away.
> LOL.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> Wigh me its squeaky toys at about 3 A.M. You know those that squeak
>> loudly and stay slimy! Wakes you right up!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>
>>
>>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it almost
>>>> rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and they
>>>>> may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to originate.
>>>>> They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green being go. If it
>>>>> is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red, you want to not
>>>>> let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been compromised. They
>>>>> have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the sticks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:38:36 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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>
> Or just don't have squeaky toys *grin*. I am one of those people who errs on
> the side of caution and does not allow squeaky toys, balls, or stuffed
> animals. There was one exception. One time last summer, one of the employees
> at Yahoo! brought a go ball to work (it was in the Accessibility Lab) and
> Lexia was fascinated by it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>> Solution for that: keep the beast on tie down and the toys far, far away.
>> LOL.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>
>>> Wigh me its squeaky toys at about 3 A.M. You know those that squeak
>>> loudly and stay slimy! Wakes you right up!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>
>>>
>>>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not leave
>>>>>
>>>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it
>>>>> almost rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and
>>>>>> they may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to
>>>>>> originate. They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green
>>>>>> being go. If it is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns red,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you want to not let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been
>>>>>> compromised. They have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of the
>>>>>> sticks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:09:48 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> I used to feel like that. All the dogs I'd ever known just totally
> destroyed stuffed squeakies. But, when Ben's raisers said it was his
> favorite, I got him one, with no bits sticking out to tear off, and
> sturdily made, and he loved it! And he didn't destroy it! We still have
> it, 5 years later.
> It may be a problem, when Ben retires and New Dog comes along, but I'll
> worry about that when it happens.
> I'm glad his raiser wrote it in his profile, and I gave it a try, because
> Ben gets a big kick out of his squeaky toys.
> Sometimes it pays to try something new, with careful supervision, as with
> any new toy.
> Tracy
>
>> Or just don't have squeaky toys *grin*. I am one of those people who errs
>> on
>> the side of caution and does not allow squeaky toys, balls, or stuffed
>> animals. There was one exception. One time last summer, one of the
>> employees
>> at Yahoo! brought a go ball to work (it was in the Accessibility Lab) and
>> Lexia was fascinated by it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>
>>
>>> Solution for that: keep the beast on tie down and the toys far, far
>>> away.
>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wigh me its squeaky toys at about 3 A.M. You know those that squeak
>>>> loudly and stay slimy! Wakes you right up!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not
>>>>>> leave
>>>>>> them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and it
>>>>>> almost rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and
>>>>>>> they may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to
>>>>>>> originate. They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green
>>>>>>> being go. If it is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns
>>>>>>> red,
>>>>>>> you want to not let the dog have it anymore because the toy has been
>>>>>>> compromised. They have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sticks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:11:38 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Canine flu vaccine
> Message-ID: <d584171304d7a48b55d026b93a79fbee.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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> Thanks Deanna. That makes sense, especially if you volunteer at the
> animal shelter.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Hi Tracy,
>> When I took Mr. Pascal to the vet in December, I got him the Canine Flu
>> vaccine. I thought it would be beneficial as he is in contact with other
>> dogs at NFB meetings, and conventions. And also, since we occasionally
>> volunteer for the SPCA. Take care.
>> Deanna and Pascal
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ben had his annual checkup yesterday. He's strong and healthy, which
>>> confirmed my opinion.
>>> The vet offered to give him a canine flu vaccine, which I declined. The
>>> vet said dogs are most at risk when they congregate with large groups of
>>> dogs, like in dog parks, the groomer's, or a kennel (or the dog track).
>>> Ben doesn't go any of those places, and I want to keep the shots he gets
>>> down to a minimum.
>>> I wondered if others had gotten the vaccine for their dogs. I might
>>> have,
>>> if Ben went to the groomer.
>>>
>>> I did get him the lepto vaccine, which is kind of a pain, since he has
>>> to
>>> go in for a booster in 3 weeks. But the chances of him coming into
>>> contact with squirrel urine seem pretty good. At least, there are lots
>>> of
>>> squirrels around here, and Ben's a curious guy. I had assumed that it
>>> was
>>> bundled with the distemper shot, DHLP, but this new vet likes it
>>> separate.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:24:58 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> which would be worse, stepping on a well used nyla-bone or a rolley thing
> i don't know about the rolley things, Lynard dosn't have any, but i really
> know alot about well chewed nyla-bones ouch
> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:25:59 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> usually wakes the dog up too lol
> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:53:47 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> Oh, I don't mind them! Its the nyla bones, deer antlers and occasional
> uneaten greenies that really make me jump! Those nyla bones can really get
> scratchy!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>> Or just don't have squeaky toys *grin*. I am one of those people who errs
>> on the side of caution and does not allow squeaky toys, balls, or stuffed
>> animals. There was one exception. One time last summer, one of the
>> employees at Yahoo! brought a go ball to work (it was in the Accessibility
>>
>> Lab) and Lexia was fascinated by it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>
>>
>>> Solution for that: keep the beast on tie down and the toys far, far away.
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wigh me its squeaky toys at about 3 A.M. You know those that squeak
>>>> loudly and stay slimy! Wakes you right up!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OOO, that sounds like f u n!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and be careful, not about the dog, but about yourself. Do not
>>>>>> leave them laying around the house. I have stepped on one before and
>>>>>> it almost rolled out from under my foot and landed me on the floor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A goughnut is a rubber toy--stick, ring, or ball--in a few sizes. You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can get them from doughnuts.com, which may not be quite right, and
>>>>>>> they may be purchased other places, but that's where they seem to
>>>>>>> originate. They have a red/green indicator, red being stop, green
>>>>>>> being go. If it is freen, the thing is in good shape; if it turns
>>>>>>> red, you want to not let the dog have it anymore because the toy has
>>>>>>> been compromised. They have a lifetime guarantee. I bought a couple
>>>>>>> of the sticks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:49 AM, loriandleo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is a goughnut? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:02:52 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> I walk carefuly in iether case. If its a rolly thing, I usually kick it
> before stepping on it. If its a nyla bone, I say ouch and then kick it. If
> its a squeaky thing I usually jump up and land on it again! This usually
> causes Carol to bust out laughing! I'm sure both dogs know this because
> they place the squeadies in strategic places such as the entrance to the
> bathroom or laundry room.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>
>
>> which would be worse, stepping on a well used nyla-bone or a rolley thing
>> i don't know about the rolley things, Lynard dosn't have any, but i really
>>
>> know alot about well chewed nyla-bones ouch
>> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:04:16 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
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> Your dog loves to boobby trap your place though! I'm glad he doesn't talk
> to Holly! No ideas from Lynard please!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
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>
>> usually wakes the dog up too lol
>> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:11:53 -0500
> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
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> Hey everyone
>
> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>
>
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:34:40 -0700
> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe
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> This is right on. It creates a better connection between all communities
> that may not otherwise exist.
> Best,
> Nat and Liam Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:59 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe
>
>
>> At Perkins, applause for stamps honoring service dogs
>> By Cindy Cantrell bar Globe Correspondent
>> February 09, 2012
>> Suzanne Kreiterst Globe Staff
>>
>> Anne DeFeo, 73, with "the love of my life," her guide dog, Viv. "She's
>> the love of my life, and she loves me. We're joined at the hip," DeFeo
>> said of her 4 1/2-year-old yellow Labrador
>> retriever, Viv.
>> On Valentine's Day, DeFeo and Viv will participate with other guide dogs
>> and their owners in a ceremony at Perkins honoring the US Postal Service
>> for its new 65-cent "Dogs at Work" series of stamps. The series depicts a
>>
>> guide dog, therapy dog, military tracking dog, and search-and-rescue dog,
>> and celebrates the "enduring partnership between dogs and people."
>> Designed by Postal Service art director Howard E.
>> Paine, the four stamps feature original paintings by John M. Thompson,
>> an illustration professor at Syracuse University.
>> Television newscaster Randy Price will emcee the 1:30 p.m. ceremony
>> Tuesday in the historic Howe Building on the Perkins campus, 175 North
>> Beacon St.
>> The event will include speakers on the importance of guide and service
>> dogs in their lives, and a presentation by Perkins Elder Book Club members
>>
>> on "Thunder Dog," a true story recounted by Michael Hingson about a guide
>> dog's heroics on Sept. 11, 2001.
>> There will be gift bags of dog biscuits made by Perkins students, and the
>>
>> presentation of a plaque to Boston's postmaster, James Holland, in honor
>> of the Postal Service's longtime commitment to the blind and visually
>> impaired.
>> DeFeo will be there as a person with first-hand knowledge of the bond
>> between guide dogs and their owners.
>> "She's meant a whole new life of independence for me," said DeFeo,
>> describing the confidence she feels from Vivbs presence, guiding her
>> almost imperceptibly.
>> "I'm a people person, and now I'm never alone. My pal is always right by
>>
>> my side. She's just the best."
>> Watertown resident Kim Charlson, director of the Braille and Talking Book
>>
>> Library at Perkins, coordinated the event after learning about the stamps.
>>
>> Through the Postal Service's free delivery of reading material and sound
>> recordings for the blind, the library serves 25,000 people across
>> Massachusetts who cannot read ordinary printed material due to visual
>> impairment, reading disability, or physical disability.
>> "We wouldn't be able to do what we do without the post office," said
>> Charlson, who will attend the event with her 3 1/2-year-old guide dog,
>> Dolly, a 44-pound German shepherd who accompanies her to conferences
>> nationwide.
>> Charlson said she estimates that there are 100,000 residents who would
>> qualify to use the library's free services and materials such as large
>> print, Braille, and digital audio books and magazines, but aren't aware of
>>
>> its existence.
>> "Events like this help get the word outbb that the library is here and we
>>
>> can help," she added. "So many borrowers say they don't know what they'd
>> do without access to books and reading. It makes such a difference to
>> their quality of life."
>> Canton resident Dave Lynn, the Blinded Veterans Association
>> representative to the Braille and Talking Book Library, will be
>> accompanied Tuesday by his 6-year-old guide dog, Blazer, a red Doberman
>> pinscher.
>> Lynn, whose degenerative retinitis pigmentosa forced him to medically
>> retire from his 14-year Air Force career in 2003, will share the steps
>> involved in being matched in need and personality with a service animal,
>> and how Blazer has improved his life. While he previously used a white
>> cane to navigate public transportation, Lynn said, Blazer helps him find
>> doors, escalators, and elevators more quickly.
>> At times, however, Blazer has become too smart for his own good, Lynn
>> said. He emphasizes the importance of dog handling and directional
>> skills, particularly when long-practiced routes suddenly change -- such as
>>
>> when he gets a new class schedule at the University of Massachusetts
>> Boston, where he is majoring in history.
>> "Blazer gives me the ability to navigate the world much more
>> efficiently," said Lynn, who describes the 94-pound canine as a "terrific"
>>
>> guide dog, but also "the biggest goof on the planet" who resumes his
>> fun-loving, attention-seeking ways the second that his harness is removed.
>> In addition to posting a sign on the harness alerting strangers that
>> Blazer is working, Lynn said, he looks for opportunities to educate the
>> public that guide dogs are service animals, not pets. As such, he is
>> serious about his responsibility of properly controlling his dog in public
>>
>> places. In return, he wishes people would ask before petting Blazer -- a
>> distraction that can be compared to pulling on a driver's steering wheel.
>> "I understand people like dogs, but it's so nice when I walk into a place
>>
>> and they don't acknowledge the dog is there," he said. "They treat me
>> like everybody else, which is what should happen."
>> Brighton resident Carl Richardson, president of Guide Dog Users of
>> Massachusetts, will speak about "these amazing dogs who dedicate their
>> entire lives to uea"b and the assistance they provide for a wide range of
>> disabilities: safely navigating around obstacles, retrieving items,
>> helping with balance, alerting people to everything from a ringing
>> doorbell to an oncoming seizure.
>> Richardson, who is visually impaired and hard of hearing, emphasizes that
>>
>> the use of a service dog versus a white cane is strictly a personal
>> choice. And while he agrees that people should ask permission before
>> approaching guide dogs, he credits his first guide dog, Kiva, with helping
>>
>> to court his wife, Megan Sullivan, a Boston University associate
>> professor.
>> Richardson credits his current guide dog, Kinley, a 7
>> 1/2-year-old black Lab, with reducing his reliance on his wife, and
>> providing an extra set of eyes and ears throughout his daily commute on
>> the bus and subway.
>> "She doesn't have to worry about me because that's Kinleybs job," said
>> Richardson, who is the Americans with Disabilities Act coordinator at the
>> State House.
>> Richardson said he is fortunate to still have Kiva, a
>> 14-year-old yellow Lab whom he retired as his service dog due to her
>> arthritis at age 9. Because 70 percent of the blind community are
>> unemployed, he said, many guide-dog owners can't afford to care for
>> multiple animals.
>> "I'm so glad the US Postal Service is honoring these magnificent dogs,
>> because I can't imagine my life without one," he added. "I also hope the
>> stamps bring more recognition and awareness so when we bring our dogs into
>>
>> public places, people know it's not a big deal."
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> Message: 34
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:42:55 -0500
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
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> Lets see I always have on my person, bags for picking up, paper towels, and
> hand sanitizer. That is about it. Ok, well I do have a small first aid kit,
> but its not for the pup, but for me. As I am the one more likely to have an
> injury LOL
>
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lea williams
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>
> Hey everyone
>
> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:52:41 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
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> I carry a towel, poop bags and a collapsible water dish. Oh, I forgot, a
> tie down. They all reside in my backpack. If I travel and stay somewhere,
> then I include food and other supplies such as treats.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:11 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>
>
>> Hey everyone
>>
>> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
>> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
>> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
>> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
>> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
>> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
>> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> Message: 36
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:09:45 -0700
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi, my black lab drake who was my first guide dog use to snap at flies and
> eat them if he could catch them. One evening we were in our front yard and
> he cleared the yard of mosquitos.
>
> Sheila Leigland
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 37
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:14:47 -0700
> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
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> I've tried regular nyla bones with Odie and forget it.
> He shows no interest in them.
> One time, I made the mistake of giving him a soft flexible nyla bone which
> he destroyed that less than ten days and unfortunately, he accidentally
> swallowed a few pieces of it.
> Thankfully when he threw up, the pieces came back up with the vomit.
> Only bones he really enjoys are organtic ones which I buy from Dog Savvy, a
> bone with peanutbutter, sweet potatoe or Youghurt filling on the inside.
> He prefers the edible nyla bones over the regular ones and despite that he
> ends up eating it all, it doesn't impact him nor has he gotten sick from
> them either.
> I don't buy the flavored edible nyla bones continuously as they are
> expensive.
> He likes the turkey and rice, chicken and rice along with the peanubutter
> flavor.
> Next time, I'll have to see if he'll enjoy the ham and cheese one.
> The organtic bones from Dog savvy run approximately from $5.00 up to $15.00,
> depending on the size and what you plan to purchase.
> The organtic bones have bicen filling on the inside that is good for dogs
> who may have a sensitive stomach which Odie does.
> Bibi
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:43:14 -0500
> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
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> thanks, i am not sure wear I heard all this from but I do remember
> hearing it and remember my thoughts for it.
>
> On 2/22/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I carry a towel, poop bags and a collapsible water dish. Oh, I forgot, a
>> tie down. They all reside in my backpack. If I travel and stay
>> somewhere,
>> then I include food and other supplies such as treats.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:11 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>>
>>
>>> Hey everyone
>>>
>>> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
>>> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
>>> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
>>> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
>>> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
>>> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
>>> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>>>
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> Message: 39
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:02:06 -0500
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe
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> I was there. The news article makes it sound far more interesting than it
> was.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe
>
>
>> This is right on. It creates a better connection between all communities
>> that may not otherwise exist.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:59 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: Article: From the Boston Globe
>>
>>
>>> At Perkins, applause for stamps honoring service dogs
>>> By Cindy Cantrell bar Globe Correspondent
>>> February 09, 2012
>>> Suzanne Kreiterst Globe Staff
>>>
>>> Anne DeFeo, 73, with "the love of my life," her guide dog, Viv. "She's
>>> the love of my life, and she loves me. We're joined at the hip," DeFeo
>>> said of her 4 1/2-year-old yellow Labrador
>>> retriever, Viv.
>>> On Valentine's Day, DeFeo and Viv will participate with other guide dogs
>>>
>>> and their owners in a ceremony at Perkins honoring the US Postal Service
>>> for its new 65-cent "Dogs at Work" series of stamps. The series depicts
>>> a guide dog, therapy dog, military tracking dog, and search-and-rescue
>>> dog, and celebrates the "enduring partnership between dogs and people."
>>> Designed by Postal Service art director Howard E.
>>> Paine, the four stamps feature original paintings by John M. Thompson,
>>> an illustration professor at Syracuse University.
>>> Television newscaster Randy Price will emcee the 1:30 p.m. ceremony
>>> Tuesday in the historic Howe Building on the Perkins campus, 175 North
>>> Beacon St.
>>> The event will include speakers on the importance of guide and service
>>> dogs in their lives, and a presentation by Perkins Elder Book Club
>>> members on "Thunder Dog," a true story recounted by Michael Hingson about
>>>
>>> a guide dog's heroics on Sept. 11, 2001.
>>> There will be gift bags of dog biscuits made by Perkins students, and
>>> the presentation of a plaque to Boston's postmaster, James Holland, in
>>> honor of the Postal Service's longtime commitment to the blind and
>>> visually impaired.
>>> DeFeo will be there as a person with first-hand knowledge of the bond
>>> between guide dogs and their owners.
>>> "She's meant a whole new life of independence for me," said DeFeo,
>>> describing the confidence she feels from Vivbs presence, guiding her
>>> almost imperceptibly.
>>> "I'm a people person, and now I'm never alone. My pal is always right
>>> by my side. She's just the best."
>>> Watertown resident Kim Charlson, director of the Braille and Talking
>>> Book Library at Perkins, coordinated the event after learning about the
>>> stamps. Through the Postal Service's free delivery of reading material
>>> and sound recordings for the blind, the library serves 25,000 people
>>> across Massachusetts who cannot read ordinary printed material due to
>>> visual impairment, reading disability, or physical disability.
>>> "We wouldn't be able to do what we do without the post office," said
>>> Charlson, who will attend the event with her 3 1/2-year-old guide dog,
>>> Dolly, a 44-pound German shepherd who accompanies her to conferences
>>> nationwide.
>>> Charlson said she estimates that there are 100,000 residents who would
>>> qualify to use the library's free services and materials such as large
>>> print, Braille, and digital audio books and magazines, but aren't aware
>>> of its existence.
>>> "Events like this help get the word outbb that the library is here and
>>> we can help," she added. "So many borrowers say they don't know what
>>> they'd do without access to books and reading. It makes such a difference
>>>
>>> to their quality of life."
>>> Canton resident Dave Lynn, the Blinded Veterans Association
>>> representative to the Braille and Talking Book Library, will be
>>> accompanied Tuesday by his 6-year-old guide dog, Blazer, a red Doberman
>>> pinscher.
>>> Lynn, whose degenerative retinitis pigmentosa forced him to medically
>>> retire from his 14-year Air Force career in 2003, will share the steps
>>> involved in being matched in need and personality with a service animal,
>>> and how Blazer has improved his life. While he previously used a white
>>> cane to navigate public transportation, Lynn said, Blazer helps him find
>>> doors, escalators, and elevators more quickly.
>>> At times, however, Blazer has become too smart for his own good, Lynn
>>> said. He emphasizes the importance of dog handling and directional
>>> skills, particularly when long-practiced routes suddenly change -- such
>>> as when he gets a new class schedule at the University of Massachusetts
>>> Boston, where he is majoring in history.
>>> "Blazer gives me the ability to navigate the world much more
>>> efficiently," said Lynn, who describes the 94-pound canine as a
>>> "terrific" guide dog, but also "the biggest goof on the planet" who
>>> resumes his fun-loving, attention-seeking ways the second that his
>>> harness is removed.
>>> In addition to posting a sign on the harness alerting strangers that
>>> Blazer is working, Lynn said, he looks for opportunities to educate the
>>> public that guide dogs are service animals, not pets. As such, he is
>>> serious about his responsibility of properly controlling his dog in
>>> public places. In return, he wishes people would ask before petting
>>> Blazer -- a distraction that can be compared to pulling on a driver's
>>> steering wheel.
>>> "I understand people like dogs, but it's so nice when I walk into a
>>> place and they don't acknowledge the dog is there," he said. "They treat
>>>
>>> me like everybody else, which is what should happen."
>>> Brighton resident Carl Richardson, president of Guide Dog Users of
>>> Massachusetts, will speak about "these amazing dogs who dedicate their
>>> entire lives to uea"b and the assistance they provide for a wide range of
>>>
>>> disabilities: safely navigating around obstacles, retrieving items,
>>> helping with balance, alerting people to everything from a ringing
>>> doorbell to an oncoming seizure.
>>> Richardson, who is visually impaired and hard of hearing, emphasizes
>>> that the use of a service dog versus a white cane is strictly a personal
>>> choice. And while he agrees that people should ask permission before
>>> approaching guide dogs, he credits his first guide dog, Kiva, with
>>> helping to court his wife, Megan Sullivan, a Boston University associate
>>> professor.
>>> Richardson credits his current guide dog, Kinley, a 7
>>> 1/2-year-old black Lab, with reducing his reliance on his wife, and
>>> providing an extra set of eyes and ears throughout his daily commute on
>>> the bus and subway.
>>> "She doesn't have to worry about me because that's Kinleybs job," said
>>> Richardson, who is the Americans with Disabilities Act coordinator at the
>>>
>>> State House.
>>> Richardson said he is fortunate to still have Kiva, a
>>> 14-year-old yellow Lab whom he retired as his service dog due to her
>>> arthritis at age 9. Because 70 percent of the blind community are
>>> unemployed, he said, many guide-dog owners can't afford to care for
>>> multiple animals.
>>> "I'm so glad the US Postal Service is honoring these magnificent dogs,
>>> because I can't imagine my life without one," he added. "I also hope the
>>>
>>> stamps bring more recognition and awareness so when we bring our dogs
>>> into public places, people know it's not a big deal."
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> Message: 40
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:44:15 -0700
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
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> Pilot use to allow the raisers to know where the dog was but had some
> problems with raisers wanting to reclaim the dogs and even trying to not
> return the dogs for training so we can find out the background of the dog
> after six months and we have to do that in writing.
>
> Sheila Leigland
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:53:16 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
> Message-ID: <C23BD4F020924D4894B67678BC945110 at stanford.edu>
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> I've never heard of carrying bandaids for your dog. What I carry depends on
> where I am going and for how long. Lexia always has a leash luggage bag on
> her leash which contains plastic bags, a fold up water dish (unfortunately
> no longer sold by GDB), her card, her clicker, a bottle of hand sanitizer,
> and a whistle. She also has a very small pouch on her harness sign. I often
> put regular plastic bags in there to use as disposable bowls. If I am going
> to be gone over lunch hour and for a while after, I carry her cloth
> collapsible bowl and her lunch; these are carried in whatever bag I am
> carrying.
>
> Nicole and Lexia who eats lunch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:11 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>
>
>> Hey everyone
>>
>> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
>> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
>> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
>> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
>> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
>> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
>> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:55:55 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
> Message-ID: <BD8D2C7C388E436E8A8C03C04B7AA6BF at stanford.edu>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Oh dear. I guess that GDB has not had any problems because we are still
> allowed to meet and correspond with the puppy raisers. I lost contact with
> Lexia's raiser, but I was able to contact her puppy sitter recently.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
>
>
>> Pilot use to allow the raisers to know where the dog was but had some
>> problems with raisers wanting to reclaim the dogs and even trying to not
>> return the dogs for training so we can find out the background of the dog
>> after six months and we have to do that in writing.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 43
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:58:44 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
> Message-ID: <00e801ccf1d7$0ecb2a00$2c617e00$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sheila,
> I think I heard them say we could also do it by calling
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] meating the puppy raisers
>
> Pilot use to allow the raisers to know where the dog was but had some
> problems with raisers wanting to reclaim the dogs and even trying to not
> return the dogs for training so we can find out the background of the dog
> after six months and we have to do that in writing.
>
> Sheila Leigland
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 44
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:10:45 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
> Message-ID: <137825589EB74491A5240AD4B4E36E38 at yourec0540d030>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> At least at Pilot, they didn't tell us we had to carry stuff. They did
> however tell us to be fair to our dogs and to also be prepaired! Well, that
> made sense!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>
>
>> thanks, i am not sure wear I heard all this from but I do remember
>> hearing it and remember my thoughts for it.
>>
>> On 2/22/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I carry a towel, poop bags and a collapsible water dish. Oh, I forgot, a
>>> tie down. They all reside in my backpack. If I travel and stay
>>> somewhere,
>>> then I include food and other supplies such as treats.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:11 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey everyone
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
>>>> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
>>>> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
>>>> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
>>>> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
>>>> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
>>>> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>
>>>
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>
> Message: 45
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:14:34 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
> Message-ID: <9C5B5C5FF74F4C2B8AFD154EFEDBC9E5 at yourec0540d030>
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>
> I've never heard of carrying bandaids iether. But, if needed there are
> probably some in my backpack. That thing is like Mr. Peabody's closet!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>
>
>> I've never heard of carrying bandaids for your dog. What I carry depends
>> on where I am going and for how long. Lexia always has a leash luggage bag
>>
>> on her leash which contains plastic bags, a fold up water dish
>> (unfortunately no longer sold by GDB), her card, her clicker, a bottle of
>> hand sanitizer, and a whistle. She also has a very small pouch on her
>> harness sign. I often put regular plastic bags in there to use as
>> disposable bowls. If I am going to be gone over lunch hour and for a while
>>
>> after, I carry her cloth collapsible bowl and her lunch; these are carried
>>
>> in whatever bag I am carrying.
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia who eats lunch
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:11 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog cargo while on the go.
>>
>>
>>> Hey everyone
>>>
>>> I wanted to know if you and if so, how you carried the things you use
>>> for your dog? From my understanding which is all hear say until I do
>>> get my dog, aren't you suppose to carry things like bandaids etc...
>>> for your dog just in case something happens while out and about? If so
>>> what do you carry it in? Also what do you carry on you? I know I will
>>> learn all about this in class but, a second oppinion is just fine too.
>>> lol Thanks for your replies in advance.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
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>>
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> Message: 46
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:31:12 -0800
> From: Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
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> Hi Nat and Liam Joshua,
> I actually purchased the sign from HandiWorks, but at the time of the
> purchase I did not realize I left out the sleeve that holds the sign
> in place. Later, I tried to go back to the website, and it says that
> they no longer make the sleeves. So, I have a sign but no sleeve. Lol!
> Thank you for your suggestion though.
> Juanita And Anise
>
> On 2/22/12, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>> 2. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Sheila Leigland)
>> 3. Re: Canine flu vaccine (Deanna Lewis)
>> 4. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Lea williams)
>> 5. Re: Running (Natalie)
>> 6. Re: New Guide Dog Usser (Natalie)
>> 7. Re: Not eating (GARY STEEVES)
>> 8. Re: update (John Vickers)
>> 9. Re: nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog grooming =
>> wicked amazing! (John Vickers)
>> 10. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Steven Johnson)
>> 11. another update (Rachel Krieg)
>> 12. Re: Not eating (rhonda cruz)
>> 13. Re: another update (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 14. Re: another update (rhonda cruz)
>> 15. has this happened to anyone else? (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 16. Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>> 17. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (John Vickers)
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:23:32 -0800
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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>>
>> Interesting. I know that this is getting slightly off topic, but what do
>> you
>> do about the litter box? How much do the food dispensers cost, and where
>> do
>> you get them.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>
>>
>>> They do make such devices already. I have one to feed my cat when I am
>>> out of town for an extended period of time. You can select how much food
>>> you want it to dispense and how often. Pretty nifty little gadgets. As
>>> for remembering to take the dog out etc, one could easily have an alarm
>>> set...
>>>
>>> Meghan
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2012 8:47 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> Does something like that exist? It could possibly be a fun design
>>>> project
>>>>
>>>> for one of my engineering classes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> YHou really can't technologize everything though. Sounds interesting
>>>>> enough. Reminds me of the story, "There Will Come Soft Rains."
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly, the dog food would be in an automatic dispensing device on a
>>>>>> timer. The water boll could also have a reservoir it refills from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To go out to releave it could have a doggy door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any sort
>>>>>>> of disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface of
>>>>>>> what dogs can be taught to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
>>>>>>> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they
>>>>>>> going to remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to
>>>>>>> relieve or give the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give
>>>>>>>> dementia sufferers a new life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By George Arbuthnott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for the
>>>>>>>> deaf. Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering
>>>>>>>> from dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people to
>>>>>>>> take their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with
>>>>>>>> undressing and help out around the home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond
>>>>>>>> to an alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with
>>>>>>>> memory loss needs to take medication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling on
>>>>>>>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>>>>>>>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that
>>>>>>>> their owner would make when in distress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bark loudly to raise the alarm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>>>>>>>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>>>>>>>> dementia to undress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that
>>>>>>>> requires a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a
>>>>>>>> cupboard door, the dog can open it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to
>>>>>>>> pull at the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding, but
>>>>>>>> needs to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the
>>>>>>>> 750,000 Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their
>>>>>>>> independence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for longer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using ?positive
>>>>>>>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task
>>>>>>>> correctly, they get a treat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer
>>>>>>>> Scotland, gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have
>>>>>>>> been used to assist those with dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>>>>>>>> cupboards can be opened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are really
>>>>>>>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also
>>>>>>>> provide great emotional support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog
>>>>>>>> will be a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest
>>>>>>>> other ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the
>>>>>>>> funding is raised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>>>>>>>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative
>>>>>>>> way to improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership
>>>>>>>> with the Department of Health was offering funding for projects
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> helped those with early-stage dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities
>>>>>>>> Dogs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with
>>>>>>>> similar skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by 2021
>>>>>>>> and 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of those
>>>>>>>> with the condition are undiagnosed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways
>>>>>>>> that dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:32:20 -0700
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>> Message-ID: <auto-000065374316 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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>> I wondered about that myself.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:59 -0500
>> From: Deanna Lewis <deannaandpascal at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Canine flu vaccine
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>> Hi Tracy,
>> When I took Mr. Pascal to the vet in December, I got him the Canine Flu
>> vaccine. I thought it would be beneficial as he is in contact with other
>> dogs at NFB meetings, and conventions. And also, since we occasionally
>> volunteer for the SPCA. Take care.
>> Deanna and Pascal
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ben had his annual checkup yesterday. He's strong and healthy, which
>>> confirmed my opinion.
>>> The vet offered to give him a canine flu vaccine, which I declined. The
>>> vet said dogs are most at risk when they congregate with large groups of
>>> dogs, like in dog parks, the groomer's, or a kennel (or the dog track).
>>> Ben doesn't go any of those places, and I want to keep the shots he gets
>>> down to a minimum.
>>> I wondered if others had gotten the vaccine for their dogs. I might
>>> have,
>>> if Ben went to the groomer.
>>>
>>> I did get him the lepto vaccine, which is kind of a pain, since he has to
>>> go in for a booster in 3 weeks. But the chances of him coming into
>>> contact with squirrel urine seem pretty good. At least, there are lots
>>> of
>>> squirrels around here, and Ben's a curious guy. I had assumed that it was
>>> bundled with the distemper shot, DHLP, but this new vet likes it
>>> separate.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:41:29 -0500
>> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I have the same thoughts about feeding them and all. My great grand
>> mother had it really bad and there were many times that she did not
>> even know her own family and would shove knives in the door jam to
>> keep us from coming inside to cook her dinner and stuff. What if
>> someone flips out over the dog being in the house and tries to run it
>> off or something?
>>
>> i can see it working if they have family that comes everyday but I too
>> think that there should be more thought to this. and yes you can
>> despence food and water, but you can't do so with medicine so well.
>>
>> I hope there is a way to work it out because who knows how well it
>> could work, maybe for someone who still lives with a husband or wife
>> or other family members. And in most cases these people are not left
>> alone all the time, they do have family and nurses coming in all the
>> time to check on them.
>>
>> On 2/21/12, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> I wondered about that myself.
>>>
>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:49:23 -0700
>> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Running
>> Message-ID: <5498B6C553034D1E9F5E6EF8763CC5FE at sansb0623c4f07>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Tina,
>> My boyfriend runs with his guide dog, and if it's okay with you, I'll
>> forward your contact info to him. How are you and Dixie doing? He uses a
>> nylon walk harness instead of the conventional one.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:57 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Running
>>
>>
>>> Hey folks, Has anyone had experience with running a 5K and or a half
>>> marathon using a guide dog as a partner? Any tips and or and.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:33 -0700
>> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
>> Message-ID: <35F859A595784CD5920B45946217FBFB at sansb0623c4f07>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Juanita and Anise,
>> If no one has answered yet, as I'm behind on e-mail, Handiworks has an
>> awesome sign. I have one, and most people have respected it. It's a
>> fluorescent yellow with big letters. HTH.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanita.herrera91 at gmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
>>
>>
>>> Thank you all who have welcomed me to the list. Anise and I seem to be
>>> doing well. I just wasn't too sure if her looking around was something
>>> normal or not. Also, does anyone know where I could purchase the "Do
>>> Not Pet Me" signs. I desperately need one. Once again thank you all.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>
>>> On 2/8/12, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Send nagdu mailing list submissions to
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: New Guide Dog User (loriandleo)
>>>> 2. Re: New Guide Dog User (Sheila Leigland)
>>>> 3. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 4. (no subject) (Sarah Williams)
>>>> 5. Re: * important* was (no subject) (Julie J.)
>>>> 6. The Room (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 7. Re: New Guide Dog User (Marsha Drenth)
>>>> 8. Re: The Room (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 9. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>>>> 10. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:55 -0500
>>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <008301cce611$2f86d5e0$24dbe504 at o4r3f1>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mathew,
>>>>
>>>> It's good to see you here. Also good luck with applyinga to Pilot Dogs.
>>>> How
>>>> do you like living in Columbus? Take care.
>>>>
>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:57:07 -0700
>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000028135245 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi welcome to the list. I'm working with my second dog Tres a golden
>>>> retriever. He is almost 30 or two and a half years old and is crazy
>>>> about
>>>> people. My first dog was a black lab and was very calm an obedient. My
>>>> second dog has taken more work but it is worth the effort. He's doing
>>>> better
>>>> all the time.
>>>>
>>>> sheila leigland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:07:36 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000d01cce627$f4980be0$ddc823a0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Nat! she is doing much better now that she's on the food the
>>>> vet
>>>> recommended.
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Natalie
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:58 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>> I'm sorry to hear Ms. Princess isn't feeling too well, but I'm glad you
>>>> had
>>>> a safe flight back. I would do what your vet suggests. It may just be
>>>> the
>>>> changes of the new environment causing her to not feel well. I'll keep
>>>> you
>>>> guys in my thoughts and prayers and send her a wag from my best dog, no
>>>> jest
>>>> dog. Keep us posted, and if there's anything we can do, please don't
>>>> hesitate to let us know.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>>> her
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:25:22 -0800 (PST)
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:15:25 -0600
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>>>>
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>>>> address this problem. Please do not respond to this message.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Julie
>>>> NAGDU list moderator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/2012 6:25 AM, Sarah Williams wrote:
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>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:23:05 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] The Room
>>>> Message-ID: <9110F592-A953-4D85-8F4A-4D285FDC1C97 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating to
>>>> say
>>>> the least.
>>>>
>>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates, do
>>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going
>>>> to
>>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed gates.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:03:26 -0500
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <976276075F6D41DF82BE10BC37B3D683 at Cptr233>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Juanita,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the list. I am Marsha, one of the moderators of the list. If
>>>> you
>>>> need anything please ask. A little about me, I'm working my second guide
>>>> from Seeing Eye. Emma is a GSD who just turned 6 years old. We live in
>>>> PA,
>>>> just outside of Philadelphia. I am a full time student at Temple
>>>> University.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope you like the list, it can be very busy but very slow too.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Juanita Herrera
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> My name is Juanita and I received my first guide dog a month ago from
>>>> Guide Dogs For The Blind at the Oregon Campus. My guide dog's name is
>>>> Anise and she is a black lab. She is very calm, but can have her
>>>> random outbursts of energy. She is only 20 months old, and when we go
>>>> places she loves to look at people. She gets distracted easily by just
>>>> looking around. Is that normal due to her age? Also, how long does it
>>>> take until a guide dog team feel completely in sink with each other?
>>>> Hope some of you pro guide dog users can help. *smile*
>>>> Best,
>>>> Juanita and Anise
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/12, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: Update (Marsha Drenth)
>>>>> 2. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 3. Re: Update (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 4. Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 5. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 6. Re: Getting a guide dog (Tami Kinney)
>>>>> 7. Re: Getting a guide dog (Margo and Arrow)
>>>>> 8. Re: Getting a guide dog (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 9. Re: Getting a guide dog (Sheila Leigland)
>>>>> 10. flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 11. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 12. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Jessica Pitzer)
>>>>> 13. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Sheila Leigland)
>>>>> 14. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 15. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 16. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 17. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 18. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 19. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 20. Re: Update (Jessica)
>>>>> 21. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 22. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 23. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 24. Re: Getting a guide dog (Jessica)
>>>>> 25. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 26. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 27. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 28. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 29. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 30. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 31. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 32. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 33. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 34. Re: Getting a guide dog (Julie J.)
>>>>> 35. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (loriandleo)
>>>>> 36. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (t21114 at optonline.net)
>>>>> 37. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 38. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 39. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 40. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 41. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 42. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 43. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 44. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 45. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 46. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 47. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 48. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>>> 49. My Adventure and Odie's new bone (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>>> 50. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 51. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 52. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 53. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 54. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <0E6A89967793464F954AA14EAF1E8F89 at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>>>> of
>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>> involved?
>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>>> PA,
>>>> in
>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>>> and
>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>>> I'm
>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>>>> He
>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>> my
>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>> moving
>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>> even
>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>> focused
>>>> and
>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing well
>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:07:07 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <71C7F990-86B9-4AB7-A438-B2AB3953278E at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Jessica, congratulations on that upcoming area. That will be a change.
>>>> Last
>>>>> time I was married I moved from a university town in Kansas to a tiny
>>>>> town
>>>>> in Iowa, the opposite of you. Goodness, what a change. Now I'm in Des
>>>>> Moines, quite a little busier. I know it will all go well for you
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>> I'm Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>> campus. He is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> planning my wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog
>>>>>> came from the same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous
>>>>>> because am moving from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro
>>>>>> area
>>>>>> but am excited to really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> our visits and I even think he works better when he is there. He just
>>>>>> seems to be more focused and not as sniffy as when he walks down these
>>>>>> roads at home. Hope everyone is doing well
>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:57:51 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <B3DC6F9B29ED442D9C529D99AC22BA5B at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> I here that DC is easy to get around/. My daughter attends Galludet
>>>>> out
>>>>> there. Are Y'all going to make the dogs dress up as well?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>>> I'm
>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>>>> He
>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>> my
>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>> moving
>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>> even
>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>> focused
>>>> and
>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing well
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:57 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <E95496603EFF4CE28D50C5E2CB21D21C at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>> to
>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>> stop
>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler,
>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>> only
>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>>> to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:10 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <5135ADDB-153E-4DD0-938A-6933EE231630 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>> you
>>>>> are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>>> dog,
>>>>> you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make transportation
>>>>> easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you had a dog.
>>>>> If
>>>> you
>>>>> believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of responsibility,
>>>>> but
>>>> if
>>>>> you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for me it would seem you
>>>>> should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you really feel about
>>>>> it
>>>>> yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer for all blind
>>>> people.
>>>>> The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My husband doesn't use
>>>>> one
>>>>> because he says he doesn't have the patience and would rather use a
>>>>> cane.
>>>>> What it really boils down to is you need to consider the pros and cons;
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't want a dog then don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't
>>>> know
>>>>> what they mean when they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do
>>>>> what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:38:53 -0800
>>>>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4F30567D.7020703 at comcast.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>>>> that you have to put up with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>>>> love that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>>>>> prefer dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>>>>> hassles. /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse
>>>>> from staff at the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a
>>>>> cane afterwards was making the original injuries worse by leaps and
>>>>> bounds, and there was no way I could ever hope to start getting the
>>>>> injuries healed while using a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because
>>>>> those
>>>>> injuries and other events at the time I was there brought my old
>>>>> fibromyalgia out of remission -- or caused a whole new onset, as it
>>>>> seems to me -- I needed to deal with the travel problem and became
>>>>> physically unable to even *think* about the rigors of a guide dog
>>>>> program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she proved to have "the
>>>>> right
>>>>> stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/ I had tons of training
>>>>> experience since I was too young to remember, so I knew I had the right
>>>>> stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I still sometimes
>>>>> find
>>>>> myself going about with my super duper poodle guide and feel suddenly
>>>>> shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>>
>>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling
>>>>> brown
>>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>>>>> my! Who needs it?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions.
>>>>> Remembering
>>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>>> maddening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on
>>>>> the
>>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>>>>> of it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you
>>>>> will
>>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it
>>>>> out
>>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better
>>>>> options.
>>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>>> deal with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and
>>>>> shrug.
>>>>> If they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>>> fine. People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
>>>>> think anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not
>>>>> going
>>>>> to risk my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro.
>>>>> But
>>>>> she can't do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive
>>>>> non-law-abiding drivers with no protection between us and them. Sooner
>>>>> or later... So. That's my decision. If I make the wrong decision to
>>>>> please someone else, they won't be haunted for the rest of their
>>>>> broken,
>>>>> crippled lives by what they let happen to a really great dog, will
>>>>> they?
>>>>> Nope!
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play
>>>>> in
>>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to
>>>>> make
>>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>>
>>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>>>>> and said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <64B360ED52734989A98711C938DF2AEF at margoda7a829ca>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 02/06/12
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:09:09 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <000001cce524$57246c90$056d45b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and
>>>> yes
>>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>>>> Pilot
>>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can
>>>>> get
>>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>>> should
>>>>> probably wait.
>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>> to
>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>> stop
>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler,
>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>> only
>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>>> to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40suddenli
>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:24:13 -0700
>>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000027687392 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi rj I got a dog partially because my husband thought it would be a
>>>>> good
>>>>> idea, but mostly I got one because we lived in a neighborhood where the
>>>>> corners aren't straight across from each other and I was having trouble
>>>>> crossing streets straight and people tended to park boats across their
>>>>> driveways and my cane slipped underneath one and I hit it at chest
>>>>> level.
>>>> I
>>>>> still knows how to use a cane but enjoy the companionship with a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> sheila leigland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000201cce527$4f312d90$ed9388b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>>> her
>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:35:12 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <B09A299BFDD24E7BA307D57EAC1D3BE8 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide
>>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel.
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Sandefur
>>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>>> experience, he
>>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>>> travel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>> his goal of
>>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer pursue
>>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up
>>>>> to
>>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>>> apply
>>>>> for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future? My
>>>>> mentel
>>>>> health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> 02/06/12
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>>>>>>
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 12
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:37:17 -0500
>>>>> From: Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAPyV18+rU1CmWVKONB9wHDdN9FmTgBm08BBnZkHAL6VBqQTLRA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>> the rice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rolosgirl%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 13
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:20 -0700
>>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000045192255 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Our vet recomends cutting way back on food and over a few days
>>>>> gradually
>>>>> increase to the amounts she is use to. Changes of water and routein can
>>>>> interfere with their systems for a while. Make sure she is drinking
>>>>> water
>>>>> though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 14
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:39:57 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <E35983A8-C9C1-4AEB-88BB-CAD4F4FE9CB2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>>> would
>>>> do
>>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>>> I've
>>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>>> and,
>>>> at
>>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>>> as
>>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 15
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:48:56 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000401cce529$e43af270$acb0d750$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, she has been drinking lots and lots of water!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:40 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>>> would
>>>> do
>>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>>> I've
>>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>>> and,
>>>> at
>>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>>> as
>>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>> got
>>>>> very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>>> having.
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 16
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:04:15 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <25C969D157174B5FB1F6AFE8A9852A32 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>>> because
>>>>> i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations, and i
>>>>> personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and
>>>>> scaled
>>>>> friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:09:48 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <CF213EEF259748EBADCE6E31D96FAD54 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>> your
>>>>> vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once you
>>>> take
>>>>> the dog home
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:10:50 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <679B261F-B6F5-4B6A-8D9B-87E64C41D92D at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what William has said here is good advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 19
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <64281422A75447F0B6E91BDF5C5A34EC at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>> Well,
>>>>> sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>>>> faster
>>>>> with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run with
>>>>> Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big
>>>> deal!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>>me
>>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>>>
>>>>>>do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>traveler,
>>>>>>they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>>>do
>>>>>>not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>>responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 20
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:37:02 -0500
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <11E4FC18C0FB4007B1B240B53FA7B1BE at jessicasearsPC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>>> other
>>>>> doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me
>>>>> after
>>>> I
>>>>> get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in Orlando
>>>>> for
>>>> 3
>>>>> years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home town before
>>>>> getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>>> Jess
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>>>> PA,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>> and
>>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>> campus.
>>>> He
>>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>>> focused
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> doing well
>>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 21
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:38:42 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <D8ACDFC3CB6F4865A2BBA15BE2AB3FA8 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't
>>>>> get
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to
>>>>> it!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 22
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:09 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4C6554F919D0499BB17B523B03B4675E at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami, you just wanted to look like a poodle! RJ, at least you don't
>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>> take the cane out to poop when its well below zero outside! Oh, I
>>>>> forgot,
>>>>> it never does that down in the everglades!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you have to put up with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>>> love
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>>>>>> hassles.
>>>>>> /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse from staff
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a cane
>>>>>> afterwards
>>>>>> was making the original injuries worse by leaps and bounds, and there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> no way I could ever hope to start getting the injuries healed while
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those injuries and other events
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the time I was there brought my old fibromyalgia out of remission --
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> caused a whole new onset, as it seems to me -- I needed to deal with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> travel problem and became physically unable to even *think* about the
>>>>>> rigors of a guide dog program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she
>>>>>> proved to have "the right stuff," just up and trained her myself.
>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>> I had tons of training experience since I was too young to remember,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> knew I had the right stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> still sometimes find myself going about with my super duper poodle
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> and feel suddenly shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling
>>>>>> brown
>>>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>>>> my!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who needs it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions.
>>>>>> Remembering
>>>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>>>> maddening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every
>>>>>> day.
>>>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug. If
>>>>>> they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going to
>>>> risk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But she
>>>> can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive non-law-abiding
>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>> with no protection between us and them. Sooner or later... So. That's
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> decision. If I make the wrong decision to please someone else, they
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> be haunted for the rest of their broken, crippled lives by what they
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> happen to a really great dog, will they? Nope!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 23
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:42:14 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <76F70DF180B8461EB814D667D8FF0C55 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it going with Princess anyway?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> yes
>>>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>>> Pilot
>>>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can
>>>> get
>>>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> probably wait.
>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop
>>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler,
>>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>> and
>>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would
>>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 24
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:56 -0500
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <1FAE387A60FE41C59A2E51B25E5EA326 at jessicasearsPC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Knowing your area as good as I do I will say it is not a dog area.
>>>>> There
>>>> are
>>>>> no sidewalks and no transpo. I will say a dog is a huge responsibility
>>>>> but
>>>>> for me it is worth it every time he gets me around things, licks my
>>>>> hand,
>>>> or
>>>>> even puts his paws on me to say lets play. When I got a dog I will be
>>>> honest
>>>>> in saying I had no clue what I was in for. The first 6 months were
>>>>> definitely stressful on both of us but we worked hard through and am so
>>>>> blessed to have him. Think hard about the choice and no that is not an
>>>>> excuse you are making. Though some schools pay for some vet care most
>>>>> require you to put it out first before getting refunded later. It is
>>>>> all
>>>> up
>>>>> to you and only you know inside what is best for you. Good luck.
>>>>> Jess
>>>>> Jess
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 25
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:49:32 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <F2F9145478A64DE8B1E323FAF60F4330 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>>> we
>>>> go
>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>>> she
>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 26
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:52:12 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000601cce532$baec36f0$30c4a4d0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I just
>>>>> wanted
>>>> to
>>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me everyday.
>>>> She's
>>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>>> we
>>>> go
>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>>> she
>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>>> having.
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 27
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:53:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <E248AD4EC6E74C3E8CF395C5A4039FB4 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll know! Just don't let others tell you what you need! I have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> folks who think they need a dog because they're doctors tell them
>>>>> that's
>>>>> they should have! However, they're mobility skills are not gode and
>>>>> some
>>>>> don't even like dogs!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use
>>>>>> of
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel.
>>>>>> Mr.
>>>>>> Sandefur
>>>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>>>> experience, he
>>>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>>>> travel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>> his goal of
>>>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> longer pursue
>>>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave
>>>>>> up
>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>>>>> apply for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> supposed to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the
>>>>>> future?
>>>>>> My mentel health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a
>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to
>>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>> for me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't
>>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>> how you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all
>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> you need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>>> don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>>>>>>> excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in
>>>>>>>>> order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> you as guide dog users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> check ups. It is an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 28
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <4389FF66D4F84F1090039553D1440AD9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>> dump!
>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>>> not
>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>>> the rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>>> job,
>>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> her a
>>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>>>> despite
>>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>>> soft
>>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the
>>>>>>> vet
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>> and
>>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>> them
>>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>> think?
>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>> cheese
>>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rolosgirl%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 29
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <91E8F75953C443A5A0BA051DA3DE03E9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you bill! You got a dog just so you could have a friend that
>>>>> would
>>>>> have to listen to you!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>>>>> because i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and
>>>>>> limitations,
>>>>>> and i personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> scaled friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 30
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000801cce533$8d9d2280$a8d76780$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she
>>>>> did
>>>>> when we got home.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>> dump!
>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>>> not
>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 31
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:01:24 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <B7B8725372124235A8F42E96C943FA01 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>>> because
>>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>>> beggars!
>>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>>> treats
>>>>> always and of many types!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 32
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:08:07 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000a01cce534$f413f330$dc3bd990$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I've definitely noticed that. Do you think Princess got sick from
>>>>> the
>>>>> milk bones? I mean she's never had them before... the Petco grooming
>>>>> salon
>>>>> people seem to think it's the milk bones that made her have diarrhea...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>>> because
>>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>>> beggars!
>>>>>
>>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>>> treats
>>>>> always and of many types!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once you take the dog home William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 33
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:13 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <02B6FD20C6754A00BF5166F4F1621825 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>>>> think
>>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a
>>>> big
>>>>>>
>>>>>> deal!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>>>me
>>>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>Florida.
>>>>>>>We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>>driven
>>>>>>>to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>>traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>>responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>>animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 34
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:58 -0600
>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4F3080B2.5010300 at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it doesn't matter what I think! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether or not you get a guide dog is totally, completely all you. You
>>>>> are the one who is going to have to train with the dog, take care of
>>>>> the
>>>>> dog, clean up poop and foot the bills. You are also the one who would
>>>>> be traveling with the dog. If you feel you would prefer to work a dog
>>>>> than use a cane, then go for it. If not, just say no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea why your family or mobility instructor don't feel you
>>>>> would benefit from a guide. That is an entirely different issue
>>>>> though. Some family members get upset by the idea of guide dogs
>>>>> because
>>>>> they feel the dog will do the job they used to do. Some mobility
>>>>> instructors feel guide dogs are only for totally blind people or blind
>>>>> people with poor O&M. That isn't true though. I am a very good cane
>>>>> traveler as are many of the people on this list. And I know people who
>>>>> are really not so great with a cane and do not want a dog. It really
>>>>> comes down to personal choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with whatever you choose,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/2012 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>> tell me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in
>>>>>> Okeechobee Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I
>>>>>> practually have to be driven to church, the store etc. Others from
>>>>>> people at church are telling me to stop making excuses, and get a
>>>>>> dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not
>>>>>> trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and they tell me
>>>>>> that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have
>>>>>> the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just
>>>>>> making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 35
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0500
>>>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <011101cce539$e9e50a20$2cdbe504 at o4r3f1>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so glad Princess did so well on the flight home. Now as far as
>>>> Princess
>>>>> goes I would follow the recommendations of what your vet told you to
>>>>> do.
>>>>> Good luck and I hope Princess feels better soon. Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 36
>>>>> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
>>>>> From: t21114 at optonline.net
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <e651ecee2a7fb.4f308436 at optonline.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Hannah,
>>>>> Glad you trip home with Princess was good. Just be patient with her as
>>>>> everything is new to her and she doesn't know what's going on. New
>>>>> place
>>>> and
>>>>> new people.
>>>>> Marilyn and Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Hannah Chadwick
>>>>> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:53 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I
>>>>>> just wanted to
>>>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me
>>>>>> everyday. She's
>>>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly
>>>>>> had some
>>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so.
>>>>>> Also, when we go
>>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much.
>>>>>> Se4nce she
>>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>>> > Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>> > job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>>> *smile*.> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much
>>>>>> and I believe it's
>>>>>> > due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>>>>>> etc. I gave
>>>>>> > her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>> not to
>>>>>> > feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>> Friday
>>>>>> > night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>>> milk
>>>>>> > bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> > super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> > Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by
>>>>>> yesterday,
>>>>>> > she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> > got very worried.
>>>>>> > The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on
>>>>>> white rice
>>>>>> > and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> > because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> > hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and
>>>>>> again that
>>>>>> > we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>> to having.
>>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> > Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and
>>>>>> cottage
>>>>>> > cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> > have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> > Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>>>> info for
>>>>>> > nagdu:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/lkeeler%40comcast.n>
>>>> et
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 37
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:07:53 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <7B2E2A14BC7048C0BA7B341D4C654721 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>>> glades
>>>>> lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 38
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <F0B7E49242F24C78ADBCB3D45BE332F8 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 39
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:12:05 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <2A902EDA07834170B923047BF1A5148B at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> bite me lolol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 40
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:14:11 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <E0296F5BC609475DBB33E60BF96A4264 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 41
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:16:43 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <777EA0DE56CB46B49D8106AF668A0DE9 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaters love them some human, and guide dog on top of that if you're not
>>>>> carefull RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>> glades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 42
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:20:47 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <05B78F64214A4E7AB5B3C2625678BA05 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the dog is normal! The sniffer is online!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she
>>>> did
>>>>>> when we got home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>>> dump!
>>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>>>>> *smile*.
>>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white
>>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 43
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:22:58 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <9432D2FC6DFA426D83D7028ED48870B6 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, isn't Lynard a labragator?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>> glades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 44
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <1AAD8255744E4128B5D1FB0917EABDCC at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Not!!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 45
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:24:04 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <41DB924FDAAC41FEBBB3C546CB38178A at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave that to Lynard!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> bite me lolol William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 46
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:27:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <599BF7133C3E49FB834201E5005F4AF7 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> labrigater or labricarpet depending on what time it is lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 47
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:30:26 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <10485F40135247109F447BF097331A8A at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> he don't bite, he just licks and licks and licks lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 48
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:07 -0700
>>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <FEFFCF640DEC457696CF8FE3C390ABB3 at bibi>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken
>>>>> and
>>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and
>>>>> Granny
>>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>>> the
>>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>>> can
>>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small
>>>>> amount.
>>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>>> skin
>>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>>> chop
>>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft
>>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>>> dog to digest.
>>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it
>>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup
>>>>> of
>>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>>> what
>>>>> they have to say.
>>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>>> rich
>>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>>> brown
>>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he
>>>> had
>>>>> constant gas.
>>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>>> it
>>>> so
>>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings
>>>>> or
>>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet.
>>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>>> the
>>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 49
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0700
>>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] My Adventure and Odie's new bone
>>>>> Message-ID: <906BE1D47AF34A6F85FE2F2559703AA1 at bibi>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>> Today was my adventure outtside, especially after being kept indoors
>>>>> for
>>>>> over seventy-two hours, three days.
>>>>> My friend Amanda Dreher and I both left our working dogs at home and
>>>>> took
>>>>> the plunge upon the challenge that lie ahead of us.
>>>>> That challenge was having to climb over big mounds of snow drifts that
>>>> were
>>>>> everywhere.
>>>>> Even when I went outtside to catch the route38 bus, I had to climb over
>>>> the
>>>>> large snow bank and stand in the gutter to wait for the bus.
>>>>> Once the bus pulled up, I flagged the driver down to indicated I wanted
>>>> him.
>>>>> While out and about, I bought Amanda her birthday present which was a
>>>>> box
>>>> of
>>>>> chocolate Truffles from cee's Candy and then did another purchase at
>>>> Petco.
>>>>> I ended up buying some nature's Miracle to have around in case Odie
>>>>> were
>>>> to
>>>>> have another indoor accident or get sick.
>>>>> I ended up buying him a bone filled with peanutbutter filling on the
>>>> inside.
>>>>> He loves those kind of bones and enjoys licking the inside filling out
>>>>> of
>>>>> it.
>>>>> It also does help keep his teeth clean, the outtside part as when he is
>>>>> chewing on it, the scraping will get the tardor off.
>>>>> Of course, Dale and I still brush his teeth with using a small amount
>>>>> of
>>>>> baking soda by turning it into a paste.
>>>>> He doesn't like that, but at least it helps prevent build up or
>>>>> vacteria
>>>> in
>>>>> his mouth.
>>>>> I usually don't buy a bone on a continuous basis, but will get Odie one
>>>> once
>>>>> in a great while.
>>>>> He has plenty from Dog Savvy that are organtic and a few from Petsmart
>>>> that
>>>>> have sweet potatoe filling on the inside.
>>>>> Thankfully, I won't have to venture back out again until Thursday.
>>>>> I'll admit that the February, 2012 is the worst blizard for its time as
>>>>> of
>>>>> right now.
>>>>> Still, I'm greatful for all of that snow to help clean the air up.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 50
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:39:21 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <E84F2944-445A-4FC7-ADE4-BA68B240F218 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, that conjures up picts. But would your dog do that while in
>>>>> harness
>>>> at
>>>>> the wedding? LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>>>>> other doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work
>>>>>> with
>>>> me
>>>>>> after I get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in
>>>>>> Orlando for 3 years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my
>>>>>> home
>>>>>> town before getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>>>> Jess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since
>>>>>>> both
>>>> of
>>>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>> PA,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie.
>>>>>>> Emma
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>>> campus.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am
>>>>>>> planning
>>>> my
>>>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>> moving
>>>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>>>> focused
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>> is
>>>>>>> doing well
>>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 51
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:40:10 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <0D04B330-2924-4872-AF33-DE2FE49B2331 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I didn't want one either, but when I did decide my decision
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> based on if anybody thought I needed one or not. The decision was fully
>>>>> mine, and I got it because of pain in my hands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't
>>>>>> get
>>>> a
>>>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to
>>>> it!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>> you
>>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>>> you
>>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 52
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:48:45 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <F7E0678B-EB49-4AEC-B9CC-20B1E2F30D56 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Vets are familiar with guide dogs. They sometimes think they are really
>>>>> amazing; they are just well trained and some of their staff is more apt
>>>>> to
>>>>> think that. Some people really think because the dog is a dog it
>>>> robotically
>>>>> does the things you want it to do, but it is still a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>>> think
>>>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>>> much
>>>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> big deal!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 53
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:51:01 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <001201cce54b$b5e98630$21bc9290$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> William,
>>>>> I don't believe she's ever had milk bones before...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:14 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 54
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:56:10 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <001401cce54c$6db42720$491c7560$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you Bibi! This is definitely helpful *smile*.
>>>>> All the best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Criminal Justice Major
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:58 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken
>>>>> and
>>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and
>>>>> Granny
>>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>>> the
>>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>>> can
>>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small
>>>>> amount.
>>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>>> skin
>>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>>> chop
>>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft
>>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>>> dog to digest.
>>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it
>>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup
>>>>> of
>>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>>> what
>>>>> they have to say.
>>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>>> rich
>>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>>> brown
>>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he
>>>> had
>>>>> constant gas.
>>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>>> it
>>>> so
>>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings
>>>>> or
>>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet.
>>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>>> the
>>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:11:03 -0500
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Room
>>>> Message-ID: <d448b253ba5360ab23593e5108635582.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Ugh, I've been in "the room" once. I vowed never to end up there again.
>>>> I've been avoiding flying as much as possible. It's become very
>>>> unpleasant. We travellers are not valued customers; we're cattle to be
>>>> herded about as our masters please.
>>>> I always ask at the gate if it's the right flight, and make frequent use
>>>> of the toll-free number to check flight status. I think one can get a
>>>> text message about flight changes as well. I have heard announcements,
>>>> but
>>>> sometimes they're the announcement saying my flight is boarding, and I
>>>> have to run like mad somewhere I'm not.
>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating
>>>>> to
>>>>> say the least.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates,
>>>>> do
>>>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going
>>>>> to
>>>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed
>>>>> gates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:02:01 +0000
>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC7832F6FFFD at TSEAMB02>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it was
>>>> human beef jerky.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for wrestler
>>>> consumption
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:12:46 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <FEC7EACC-E9D0-48AF-9568-66D5348861BC at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>>> Once I was working the NAGDU Table at convention and there were some
>>>> such
>>>> treats and a guy thought it was for people. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it
>>>>> was
>>>>> human beef jerky.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for
>>>>> wrestler
>>>>> consumption
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:24 -0800
>> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> Message-ID: <fb8da20ee2099.4f43c5b0 at shaw.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>> Hi Mark:
>>
>> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind apparently)
>> I
>> think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first got
>> bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the rules
>> from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets to him.
>> He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing this.
>> Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at his dish.
>> Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>>
>> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too. Because
>> he
>> wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and rice
>> rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7 and
>> were
>> only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was silly to
>> spend
>> so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had our supper.
>> Before
>> I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear him eating around
>> 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding until supper the
>> next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it. Bogart was at the vet
>> last
>> week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So whatever we have worked
>> out seems to be working for him.
>>
>> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
>> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>>
>>>
>>> >I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>>> old and it was a long time ago.
>>> >
>>> >CL
>>> >
>>> >On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>>> of emptying his bowl.
>>> >>
>>> >>Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>>> >>
>>> >>Meghan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> >>>Not eating
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Mark
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:00 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
>> Message-ID:
>> <1329870360.49232.yint-ygo-j2me at web124918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> Does that meen you are getting your first Guide Dog? I can help you with
>> any
>> thing if you need. I'm not the smartest person; I just have my first Dog.
>> Please feel free to call me at 817-929-5231 John Vickers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Good luck :)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>Of Rachel Krieg
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:48 AM
>>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>Subject: [nagdu] update
>>>
>>>Hi, all.
>>>
>>>I have my interview with Guide Dogs of America this morning at 11 so if
>>> you
>>>all could keep me in your thoughts and prayers I would greatly appreciate
>>>it. Thanks.
>>>Rachel
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:33:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog
>> grooming = wicked amazing!
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I was wanting to know how long do you leav them; and how do you know when
>> to
>> stop cutting. John Vickers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Thank you Julie. I'll definitely look in to it :)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>Of Julie J.
>>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:45 AM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog
>>> grooming
>>>= wicked amazing!
>>>
>>>Hannah,
>>>
>>>I use two different tools, a traditional nail trimmer and the PediPaws
>>> nail
>>>grinder.
>>>
>>>First the traditional nail clippers. I've tried several
>>>brands/quality/styles. I'd highly recommend spending the money for some
>>>really good clippers. The cheap ones either won't work at all or will
>>>crush and splinter the nail. I think the kind I'm using right now cost
>>>around $15 and should last at least for the next 10 years. You can
>>> usually
>>>buy replacement blades for the more high quality clippers, but by the time
>>> I
>>>need a replacement blade, I've forgotten what brand I have or where I got
>>>them.
>>>
>>>Anyhow, the way I trim nails is to position the nail in the hole made by
>>> the
>>>open clipper blades. I use a finger on the tip of the nail to check how
>>>much is poking through, which is how much will be trimmed off. I
>>> generally
>>>go a tiny bit at a time, preferring to make repeat cuts if necessary
>>> rather
>>>than risking taking off too much. I have trimmed too short before.
>>>
>>>The second method is some sort of grinder. Several people on this list
>>> use
>>>grinders. Tracy comes to mind. she has a much more powerful grinder and
>>>can get the job done very quickly. I have the PediPaws. It
>>>does eventually get the job done, but you have to be patient. With a
>>>grinder you basically rub or swipe the end of the nail to take off the
>>>desired amount of material.
>>>
>>>Different people prefer different methods as do the dogs. the nail
>>> grinder
>>>makes a bit of noise and will vibrate the nail. I used a bit of hot dog
>>> to
>>>get both of my dogs used to this. I don't think it's their
>>>favorite thing in the world, but they don't fuss either. I find the
>>>traditional clippers faster, but they require more skill and they leave
>>>a sharp edge. Belle doesn't mind the regular clippers so much. I tend
>>>to use them more when I can immediately take her for a walk on cement,
>>> which
>>>wears off the sharp edges.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>Julie
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:04:10 -0600
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>> Message-ID: <005401ccf0fd$e2c53970$a84fac50$@charter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Julie,
>> Your point is valid, but there is a continuum of where persons who are
>> diagnosed with a form of dementia or Alzheimer's in terms of where they
>> are
>> in their memory. Thos with advanced are most likely not able to even
>> being
>> to consider such a dog, and from my experience, many times transition from
>> their home to assisted living to a nursing home. My guess, is that this
>> would focus on the early to medium range end of the dementia spectrum.
>> JMO,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:56 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>
>> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any sort of
>> disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface of what
>> dogs
>> can be taught to do.
>>
>> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
>> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they going
>> to
>> remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to relieve or
>> give
>> the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give dementia
>>> sufferers a new life
>>>
>>> By George Arbuthnott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for the
>>> deaf.
>>> Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering from
>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people to take
>>> their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with undressing
>>> and
>>> help out around the home.
>>>
>>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond to an
>>> alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with memory loss
>>> needs to take medication.
>>>
>>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling on
>>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>>
>>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>>
>>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that their
>>> owner would make when in distress.
>>>
>>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone or
>>> bark
>>> loudly to raise the alarm.
>>>
>>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>>> dementia to undress.
>>>
>>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that
>>> requires
>>> a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a cupboard door, the
>>> dog can open it.
>>>
>>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to pull at
>>> the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>>
>>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding, but
>>> needs
>>> to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later this year.
>>>
>>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the
>>> 750,000
>>> Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their independence for longer.
>>>
>>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using ?positive
>>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task correctly,
>>> they get a treat.
>>>
>>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer Scotland,
>>> gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have been used to
>>> assist those with dementia.
>>>
>>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>>> cupboards can be opened
>>>
>>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are really
>>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also provide
>>> great emotional support.
>>>
>>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog will be
>>> a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>>
>>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest other
>>> ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>>
>>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the funding
>>> is raised.
>>>
>>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative way to
>>> improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>>
>>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership with
>>> the Department of Health was offering funding for projects that helped
>>> those with early-stage dementia.
>>>
>>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities Dogs For
>>> The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with similar
>>> skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>>
>>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by 2021 and
>>> 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of those with the
>>> condition are undiagnosed.
>>>
>>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways that
>>> dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:41:53 -0700
>> From: "Rachel Krieg" <serenityangel1983 at gmail.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <27C4CB9770FB4935A60460DA71CDA1DD at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>> dog.
>> Rachel
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:09:50 -0800
>> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> Message-ID: <98309B53-BD28-4A67-959D-CAA13F9558CD at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> garry, I think you are right.
>> smile. .
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:26 PM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mark:
>>>
>>> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind
>>> apparently)
>>> I think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first
>>> got bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the
>>> rules from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets
>>> to him. He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing
>>> this. Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at
>>> his
>>> dish. Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>>>
>>> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too. Because
>>> he wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and
>>> rice rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7
>>> and were only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was
>>> silly to spend so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had
>>> our supper. Before I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear
>>> him
>>> eating around 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding
>>> until supper the next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it. Bogart
>>> was at the vet last week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So
>>> whatever we have worked out seems to be working for him.
>>>
>>> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
>>> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>>>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>>>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>>>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>>>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>>>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>>>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>>>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>>>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>>>> old and it was a long time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>>>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>>>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>>>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>>>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>>>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>>>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>>>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>>>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>>>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>>>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>>>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>>>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>>>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>>>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>>>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>>>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>>>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>>>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>>>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>>>> of emptying his bowl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>>>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>>>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meghan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>> Not eating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>>>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>>>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>>>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>>>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>>>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>>>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>>>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>>>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>>>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>>>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>>>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>>>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>>>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:59:14 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <008f01ccf11e$bab579b0$30206d10$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Rachael,
>> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in
>> soon
>> if you're already a graduate from there...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Rachel Krieg
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>> dog.
>> Rachel
>> _______________________________________________
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>> m
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:17:27 -0800
>> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <0DED3373-5AF4-476C-B941-84A2F5BCDECC at gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hey ratchel.
>> All the best.
>> from rhonda.
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Rachael,
>>> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in
>>> soon
>>> if you're already a graduate from there...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Rachel Krieg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>>>
>>> Hi, all.
>>>
>>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>>> dog.
>>> Rachel
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:56:50 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>> Message-ID: <000601ccf126$c60c5510$5224ff30$@gmail.com>
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>> Hi all,
>> I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
>> Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in no
>> time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will damage
>> her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
>> managed...
>> The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet
>> because
>> she works at a vet clinic...
>> Any thoughts?
>> All the best, Hannah and Princess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:21:25 -0800
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>> Message-ID: <289F1286610947B89C5E4FA5D6ED9EF6 at stanford.edu>
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>>
>> A few times now, people have mentioned their dogs tearing up toys or
>> chewing through bones at an alarming and potentially unsafe rate. My
>> recommendation to remedy the problem is to get a goughnut. I am not trying
>> to make a sales pitch. It has just been my experience that even the best
>> chewers take months to finally damage the toy enough to be replaced.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:15:49 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>> Message-ID:
>> <1329909349.60553.yint-ygo-j2me at web124906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> She should be ok; just watch her, and make shure that she does not get
>> sick;
>> they are ment, for dogs; I don't think she will have a problem. John
>> Vickers, and Marcella the GuideDog Team!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:56 PM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
>>>Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in no
>>>time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will damage
>>>her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
>>>managed...
>>>The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet
>>> because
>>>she works at a vet clinic...
>>>Any thoughts?
>>>All the best, Hannah and Princess
>>>
>>>
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