[nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
Natalie
nrorrell at qwest.net
Tue Feb 28 23:25:41 UTC 2012
Hmmm, that's weird. Hopefully the site was just down for a while and you
can go back and try again. Good luck.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
> Hi Nat and Liam Joshua,
> I actually purchased the sign from HandiWorks, but at the time of the
> purchase I did not realize I left out the sleeve that holds the sign
> in place. Later, I tried to go back to the website, and it says that
> they no longer make the sleeves. So, I have a sign but no sleeve. Lol!
> Thank you for your suggestion though.
> Juanita And Anise
>
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>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>> 2. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Sheila Leigland)
>> 3. Re: Canine flu vaccine (Deanna Lewis)
>> 4. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Lea williams)
>> 5. Re: Running (Natalie)
>> 6. Re: New Guide Dog Usser (Natalie)
>> 7. Re: Not eating (GARY STEEVES)
>> 8. Re: update (John Vickers)
>> 9. Re: nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog grooming =
>> wicked amazing! (John Vickers)
>> 10. Re: Guide Dogs for the Mind (Steven Johnson)
>> 11. another update (Rachel Krieg)
>> 12. Re: Not eating (rhonda cruz)
>> 13. Re: another update (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 14. Re: another update (rhonda cruz)
>> 15. has this happened to anyone else? (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 16. Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>> 17. Re: has this happened to anyone else? (John Vickers)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:23:32 -0800
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>> Message-ID: <355A7EB9ACC54D058AF7B138BFF558D5 at stanford.edu>
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>>
>> Interesting. I know that this is getting slightly off topic, but what do
>> you
>> do about the litter box? How much do the food dispensers cost, and where
>> do
>> you get them.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>
>>
>>> They do make such devices already. I have one to feed my cat when I am
>>> out of town for an extended period of time. You can select how much
>>> food
>>> you want it to dispense and how often. Pretty nifty little gadgets. As
>>> for remembering to take the dog out etc, one could easily have an alarm
>>> set...
>>>
>>> Meghan
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2012 8:47 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> Does something like that exist? It could possibly be a fun design
>>>> project
>>>>
>>>> for one of my engineering classes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> YHou really can't technologize everything though. Sounds interesting
>>>>> enough. Reminds me of the story, "There Will Come Soft Rains."
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly, the dog food would be in an automatic dispensing device on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> timer. The water boll could also have a reservoir it refills from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To go out to releave it could have a doggy door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> what dogs can be taught to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
>>>>>>> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they
>>>>>>> going to remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to
>>>>>>> relieve or give the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give
>>>>>>>> dementia sufferers a new life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By George Arbuthnott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> deaf. Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering
>>>>>>>> from dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> take their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with
>>>>>>>> undressing and help out around the home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond
>>>>>>>> to an alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with
>>>>>>>> memory loss needs to take medication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>>>>>>>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that
>>>>>>>> their owner would make when in distress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bark loudly to raise the alarm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>>>>>>>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>>>>>>>> dementia to undress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that
>>>>>>>> requires a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a
>>>>>>>> cupboard door, the dog can open it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to
>>>>>>>> pull at the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> needs to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the
>>>>>>>> 750,000 Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their
>>>>>>>> independence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for longer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using
>>>>>>>> ?positive
>>>>>>>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task
>>>>>>>> correctly, they get a treat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer
>>>>>>>> Scotland, gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have
>>>>>>>> been used to assist those with dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>>>>>>>> cupboards can be opened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also
>>>>>>>> provide great emotional support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog
>>>>>>>> will be a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest
>>>>>>>> other ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the
>>>>>>>> funding is raised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>>>>>>>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative
>>>>>>>> way to improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership
>>>>>>>> with the Department of Health was offering funding for projects
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> helped those with early-stage dementia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities
>>>>>>>> Dogs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with
>>>>>>>> similar skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by
>>>>>>>> 2021
>>>>>>>> and 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> with the condition are undiagnosed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways
>>>>>>>> that dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:32:20 -0700
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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>> I wondered about that myself.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:59 -0500
>> From: Deanna Lewis <deannaandpascal at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Canine flu vaccine
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Tracy,
>> When I took Mr. Pascal to the vet in December, I got him the Canine Flu
>> vaccine. I thought it would be beneficial as he is in contact with other
>> dogs at NFB meetings, and conventions. And also, since we occasionally
>> volunteer for the SPCA. Take care.
>> Deanna and Pascal
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ben had his annual checkup yesterday. He's strong and healthy, which
>>> confirmed my opinion.
>>> The vet offered to give him a canine flu vaccine, which I declined. The
>>> vet said dogs are most at risk when they congregate with large groups of
>>> dogs, like in dog parks, the groomer's, or a kennel (or the dog track).
>>> Ben doesn't go any of those places, and I want to keep the shots he gets
>>> down to a minimum.
>>> I wondered if others had gotten the vaccine for their dogs. I might
>>> have,
>>> if Ben went to the groomer.
>>>
>>> I did get him the lepto vaccine, which is kind of a pain, since he has
>>> to
>>> go in for a booster in 3 weeks. But the chances of him coming into
>>> contact with squirrel urine seem pretty good. At least, there are lots
>>> of
>>> squirrels around here, and Ben's a curious guy. I had assumed that it
>>> was
>>> bundled with the distemper shot, DHLP, but this new vet likes it
>>> separate.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:41:29 -0500
>> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
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>> I have the same thoughts about feeding them and all. My great grand
>> mother had it really bad and there were many times that she did not
>> even know her own family and would shove knives in the door jam to
>> keep us from coming inside to cook her dinner and stuff. What if
>> someone flips out over the dog being in the house and tries to run it
>> off or something?
>>
>> i can see it working if they have family that comes everyday but I too
>> think that there should be more thought to this. and yes you can
>> despence food and water, but you can't do so with medicine so well.
>>
>> I hope there is a way to work it out because who knows how well it
>> could work, maybe for someone who still lives with a husband or wife
>> or other family members. And in most cases these people are not left
>> alone all the time, they do have family and nurses coming in all the
>> time to check on them.
>>
>> On 2/21/12, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> I wondered about that myself.
>>>
>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:49:23 -0700
>> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Running
>> Message-ID: <5498B6C553034D1E9F5E6EF8763CC5FE at sansb0623c4f07>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Tina,
>> My boyfriend runs with his guide dog, and if it's okay with you, I'll
>> forward your contact info to him. How are you and Dixie doing? He uses
>> a
>> nylon walk harness instead of the conventional one.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:57 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Running
>>
>>
>>> Hey folks, Has anyone had experience with running a 5K and or a half
>>> marathon using a guide dog as a partner? Any tips and or and.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:33 -0700
>> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
>> Message-ID: <35F859A595784CD5920B45946217FBFB at sansb0623c4f07>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Juanita and Anise,
>> If no one has answered yet, as I'm behind on e-mail, Handiworks has an
>> awesome sign. I have one, and most people have respected it. It's a
>> fluorescent yellow with big letters. HTH.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanita.herrera91 at gmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog Usser
>>
>>
>>> Thank you all who have welcomed me to the list. Anise and I seem to be
>>> doing well. I just wasn't too sure if her looking around was something
>>> normal or not. Also, does anyone know where I could purchase the "Do
>>> Not Pet Me" signs. I desperately need one. Once again thank you all.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>
>>> On 2/8/12, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: New Guide Dog User (loriandleo)
>>>> 2. Re: New Guide Dog User (Sheila Leigland)
>>>> 3. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>> 4. (no subject) (Sarah Williams)
>>>> 5. Re: * important* was (no subject) (Julie J.)
>>>> 6. The Room (Cindy Ray)
>>>> 7. Re: New Guide Dog User (Marsha Drenth)
>>>> 8. Re: The Room (Tracy Carcione)
>>>> 9. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>>>> 10. Re: dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:55 -0500
>>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <008301cce611$2f86d5e0$24dbe504 at o4r3f1>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mathew,
>>>>
>>>> It's good to see you here. Also good luck with applyinga to Pilot Dogs.
>>>> How
>>>> do you like living in Columbus? Take care.
>>>>
>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:57:07 -0700
>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000028135245 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hi welcome to the list. I'm working with my second dog Tres a golden
>>>> retriever. He is almost 30 or two and a half years old and is crazy
>>>> about
>>>> people. My first dog was a black lab and was very calm an obedient. My
>>>> second dog has taken more work but it is worth the effort. He's doing
>>>> better
>>>> all the time.
>>>>
>>>> sheila leigland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:07:36 -0800
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <000d01cce627$f4980be0$ddc823a0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Nat! she is doing much better now that she's on the food the
>>>> vet
>>>> recommended.
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Natalie
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:58 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>> I'm sorry to hear Ms. Princess isn't feeling too well, but I'm glad you
>>>> had
>>>> a safe flight back. I would do what your vet suggests. It may just be
>>>> the
>>>> changes of the new environment causing her to not feel well. I'll keep
>>>> you
>>>> guys in my thoughts and prayers and send her a wag from my best dog, no
>>>> jest
>>>> dog. Keep us posted, and if there's anything we can do, please don't
>>>> hesitate to let us know.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>>> her
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>> because
>>>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:25:22 -0800 (PST)
>>>> From: Sarah Williams <sarachan74 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: jenny26 at tds.net, lorafelty at windstream.net, nagdu at nfbnet.org,
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:15:25 -0600
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Do not click on the link in the below message. I have taken steps to
>>>> address this problem. Please do not respond to this message.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Julie
>>>> NAGDU list moderator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/2012 6:25 AM, Sarah Williams wrote:
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:23:05 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] The Room
>>>> Message-ID: <9110F592-A953-4D85-8F4A-4D285FDC1C97 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating
>>>> to
>>>> say
>>>> the least.
>>>>
>>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates,
>>>> do
>>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going
>>>> to
>>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed
>>>> gates.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:03:26 -0500
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>> Message-ID: <976276075F6D41DF82BE10BC37B3D683 at Cptr233>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Juanita,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the list. I am Marsha, one of the moderators of the list. If
>>>> you
>>>> need anything please ask. A little about me, I'm working my second
>>>> guide
>>>> from Seeing Eye. Emma is a GSD who just turned 6 years old. We live in
>>>> PA,
>>>> just outside of Philadelphia. I am a full time student at Temple
>>>> University.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope you like the list, it can be very busy but very slow too.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Juanita Herrera
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] New Guide Dog User
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> My name is Juanita and I received my first guide dog a month ago from
>>>> Guide Dogs For The Blind at the Oregon Campus. My guide dog's name is
>>>> Anise and she is a black lab. She is very calm, but can have her
>>>> random outbursts of energy. She is only 20 months old, and when we go
>>>> places she loves to look at people. She gets distracted easily by just
>>>> looking around. Is that normal due to her age? Also, how long does it
>>>> take until a guide dog team feel completely in sink with each other?
>>>> Hope some of you pro guide dog users can help. *smile*
>>>> Best,
>>>> Juanita and Anise
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/12, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: Update (Marsha Drenth)
>>>>> 2. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 3. Re: Update (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 4. Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 5. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 6. Re: Getting a guide dog (Tami Kinney)
>>>>> 7. Re: Getting a guide dog (Margo and Arrow)
>>>>> 8. Re: Getting a guide dog (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 9. Re: Getting a guide dog (Sheila Leigland)
>>>>> 10. flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 11. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 12. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Jessica Pitzer)
>>>>> 13. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Sheila Leigland)
>>>>> 14. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 15. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 16. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 17. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 18. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 19. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 20. Re: Update (Jessica)
>>>>> 21. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 22. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 23. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 24. Re: Getting a guide dog (Jessica)
>>>>> 25. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 26. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 27. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 28. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 29. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 30. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 31. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 32. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 33. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 34. Re: Getting a guide dog (Julie J.)
>>>>> 35. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (loriandleo)
>>>>> 36. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (t21114 at optonline.net)
>>>>> 37. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 38. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 39. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 40. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 41. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>>>>> 42. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 43. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 44. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 45. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>>>>> 46. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 47. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>>>>> 48. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>>> 49. My Adventure and Odie's new bone (Criminal Justice Major)
>>>>> 50. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 51. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 52. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>>>>> 53. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>> 54. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <0E6A89967793464F954AA14EAF1E8F89 at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both
>>>>> of
>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>> involved?
>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>> be
>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>>> PA,
>>>> in
>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>>> and
>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>> posted.
>>>> I'm
>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>> campus.
>>>>> He
>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>> my
>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>> moving
>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>> to
>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>> even
>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>> focused
>>>> and
>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing well
>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:07:07 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <71C7F990-86B9-4AB7-A438-B2AB3953278E at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Jessica, congratulations on that upcoming area. That will be a change.
>>>> Last
>>>>> time I was married I moved from a university town in Kansas to a tiny
>>>>> town
>>>>> in Iowa, the opposite of you. Goodness, what a change. Now I'm in Des
>>>>> Moines, quite a little busier. I know it will all go well for you
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>> I'm Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>> campus. He is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> planning my wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> came from the same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous
>>>>>> because am moving from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro
>>>>>> area
>>>>>> but am excited to really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> our visits and I even think he works better when he is there. He just
>>>>>> seems to be more focused and not as sniffy as when he walks down
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> roads at home. Hope everyone is doing well
>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:57:51 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <B3DC6F9B29ED442D9C529D99AC22BA5B at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> I here that DC is easy to get around/. My daughter attends Galludet
>>>>> out
>>>>> there. Are Y'all going to make the dogs dress up as well?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>> posted.
>>>> I'm
>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>> campus.
>>>>> He
>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning
>>>>> my
>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>> moving
>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>> to
>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>> even
>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>> focused
>>>> and
>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing well
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:57 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <E95496603EFF4CE28D50C5E2CB21D21C at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>> to
>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>> stop
>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler,
>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>> only
>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would
>>>>> have
>>>>> to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:10 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <5135ADDB-153E-4DD0-938A-6933EE231630 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>> If
>>>> you
>>>>> are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>>> dog,
>>>>> you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>> transportation
>>>>> easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you had a dog.
>>>>> If
>>>> you
>>>>> believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of responsibility,
>>>>> but
>>>> if
>>>>> you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for me it would seem you
>>>>> should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you really feel
>>>>> about
>>>>> it
>>>>> yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer for all blind
>>>> people.
>>>>> The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My husband doesn't use
>>>>> one
>>>>> because he says he doesn't have the patience and would rather use a
>>>>> cane.
>>>>> What it really boils down to is you need to consider the pros and
>>>>> cons;
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't want a dog then don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't
>>>> know
>>>>> what they mean when they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to
>>>>> do
>>>>> what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>> Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:38:53 -0800
>>>>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4F30567D.7020703 at comcast.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>>>> that you have to put up with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>>>> love that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>>>>> prefer dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all
>>>>> as
>>>>> hassles. /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse
>>>>> from staff at the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using
>>>>> a
>>>>> cane afterwards was making the original injuries worse by leaps and
>>>>> bounds, and there was no way I could ever hope to start getting the
>>>>> injuries healed while using a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because
>>>>> those
>>>>> injuries and other events at the time I was there brought my old
>>>>> fibromyalgia out of remission -- or caused a whole new onset, as it
>>>>> seems to me -- I needed to deal with the travel problem and became
>>>>> physically unable to even *think* about the rigors of a guide dog
>>>>> program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she proved to have "the
>>>>> right
>>>>> stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/ I had tons of training
>>>>> experience since I was too young to remember, so I knew I had the
>>>>> right
>>>>> stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I still sometimes
>>>>> find
>>>>> myself going about with my super duper poodle guide and feel suddenly
>>>>> shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>>
>>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling
>>>>> brown
>>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>>>>> my! Who needs it?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions.
>>>>> Remembering
>>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according
>>>>> to
>>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>>> maddening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on
>>>>> the
>>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>>>>> of it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place
>>>>> to
>>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you
>>>>> will
>>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every
>>>>> day.
>>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it
>>>>> out
>>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better
>>>>> options.
>>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>>> deal with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and
>>>>> shrug.
>>>>> If they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>>> fine. People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not
>>>>> going
>>>>> to risk my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro.
>>>>> But
>>>>> she can't do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive
>>>>> non-law-abiding drivers with no protection between us and them. Sooner
>>>>> or later... So. That's my decision. If I make the wrong decision to
>>>>> please someone else, they won't be haunted for the rest of their
>>>>> broken,
>>>>> crippled lives by what they let happen to a really great dog, will
>>>>> they?
>>>>> Nope!
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play
>>>>> in
>>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to
>>>>> make
>>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>>
>>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It
>>>>> is
>>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when
>>>>> the
>>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>>>>> and said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt
>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>> Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <64B360ED52734989A98711C938DF2AEF at margoda7a829ca>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>> how
>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 02/06/12
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:09:09 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <000001cce524$57246c90$056d45b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility
>>>>> and
>>>> yes
>>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>>>> Pilot
>>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can
>>>>> get
>>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>>> should
>>>>> probably wait.
>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me
>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>> to
>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>> stop
>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>> traveler,
>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>> only
>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would
>>>>> have
>>>>> to
>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40suddenli
>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:24:13 -0700
>>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000027687392 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi rj I got a dog partially because my husband thought it would be a
>>>>> good
>>>>> idea, but mostly I got one because we lived in a neighborhood where
>>>>> the
>>>>> corners aren't straight across from each other and I was having
>>>>> trouble
>>>>> crossing streets straight and people tended to park boats across their
>>>>> driveways and my cane slipped underneath one and I hit it at chest
>>>>> level.
>>>> I
>>>>> still knows how to use a cane but enjoy the companionship with a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> sheila leigland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000201cce527$4f312d90$ed9388b0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job,
>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>>> due
>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>>> the
>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>> got
>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>>> her
>>>> a
>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>> despite
>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>> soft
>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>> this
>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>> because
>>>>> it
>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>>> this
>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>> them
>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>> think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:35:12 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <B09A299BFDD24E7BA307D57EAC1D3BE8 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide
>>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel.
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Sandefur
>>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>>> experience, he
>>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>>> travel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>> his goal of
>>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer pursue
>>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave
>>>>> up
>>>>> to
>>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>>> apply
>>>>> for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future? My
>>>>> mentel
>>>>> health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too.
>>>>>> I
>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking
>>>>>>> if
>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to
>>>>>>> is
>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 12
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:37:17 -0500
>>>>> From: Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAPyV18+rU1CmWVKONB9wHDdN9FmTgBm08BBnZkHAL6VBqQTLRA at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>>> the rice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed
>>>>>> her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and
>>>>>> gave
>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the
>>>>>> vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rolosgirl%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 13
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:20 -0700
>>>>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000045192255 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Our vet recomends cutting way back on food and over a few days
>>>>> gradually
>>>>> increase to the amounts she is use to. Changes of water and routein
>>>>> can
>>>>> interfere with their systems for a while. Make sure she is drinking
>>>>> water
>>>>> though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 14
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:39:57 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <E35983A8-C9C1-4AEB-88BB-CAD4F4FE9CB2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>>> would
>>>> do
>>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>>> I've
>>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>>> and,
>>>> at
>>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>>> as
>>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed
>>>>>> her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and
>>>>>> gave
>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the
>>>>>> vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 15
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:48:56 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000401cce529$e43af270$acb0d750$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, she has been drinking lots and lots of water!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:40 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I
>>>>> would
>>>> do
>>>>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but
>>>> I've
>>>>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that
>>>>> and,
>>>> at
>>>>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food
>>>>> as
>>>>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I
>>>>>> gave
>>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>> got
>>>>> very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>>> having.
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> m
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 16
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:04:15 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <25C969D157174B5FB1F6AFE8A9852A32 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>>> because
>>>>> i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations, and i
>>>>> personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and
>>>>> scaled
>>>>> friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:09:48 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <CF213EEF259748EBADCE6E31D96FAD54 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>>> your
>>>>> vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once
>>>>> you
>>>> take
>>>>> the dog home
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:10:50 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <679B261F-B6F5-4B6A-8D9B-87E64C41D92D at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what William has said here is good advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just
>>>>>> trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 19
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <64281422A75447F0B6E91BDF5C5A34EC at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>> Well,
>>>>> sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>>>> faster
>>>>> with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run with
>>>>> Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big
>>>> deal!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>>me
>>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>Florida.
>>>> We
>>>>>>
>>>>>>do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>traveler,
>>>>>>they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I
>>>>>>do
>>>>>>not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>>>only
>>>>>>just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>>responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 20
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:37:02 -0500
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <11E4FC18C0FB4007B1B240B53FA7B1BE at jessicasearsPC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>>> other
>>>>> doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me
>>>>> after
>>>> I
>>>>> get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in Orlando
>>>>> for
>>>> 3
>>>>> years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home town before
>>>>> getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>>> Jess
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in
>>>>>> PA,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie.
>>>>>> Emma
>>>> and
>>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>> campus.
>>>> He
>>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am
>>>>>> planning
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>>> focused
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> doing well
>>>>>> Jessica
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 21
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:38:42 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <D8ACDFC3CB6F4865A2BBA15BE2AB3FA8 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't
>>>>> get
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to
>>>>> it!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>> want
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>> how
>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people.
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>>>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>>>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 22
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:09 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4C6554F919D0499BB17B523B03B4675E at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami, you just wanted to look like a poodle! RJ, at least you don't
>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>> take the cane out to poop when its well below zero outside! Oh, I
>>>>> forgot,
>>>>> it never does that down in the everglades!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you have to put up with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>>>> love
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>>>>>> hassles.
>>>>>> /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse from
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a cane
>>>>>> afterwards
>>>>>> was making the original injuries worse by leaps and bounds, and there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> no way I could ever hope to start getting the injuries healed while
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those injuries and other
>>>>>> events
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the time I was there brought my old fibromyalgia out of remission --
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> caused a whole new onset, as it seems to me -- I needed to deal with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> travel problem and became physically unable to even *think* about the
>>>>>> rigors of a guide dog program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she
>>>>>> proved to have "the right stuff," just up and trained her myself.
>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>> I had tons of training experience since I was too young to remember,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> knew I had the right stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting
>>>>>> project.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> still sometimes find myself going about with my super duper poodle
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> and feel suddenly shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling
>>>>>> brown
>>>>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks...
>>>>>> Oh,
>>>> my!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who needs it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions.
>>>>>> Remembering
>>>>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>>>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain
>>>>>> maddening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>>>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the
>>>>>> rest
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every
>>>>>> day.
>>>>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going to
>>>> risk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But she
>>>> can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive non-law-abiding
>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>> with no protection between us and them. Sooner or later... So. That's
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> decision. If I make the wrong decision to please someone else, they
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> be haunted for the rest of their broken, crippled lives by what they
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> happen to a really great dog, will they? Nope!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>>>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so
>>>>>> often
>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're doing well!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>> tell
>>>> me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>> driven
>>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 23
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:42:14 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <76F70DF180B8461EB814D667D8FF0C55 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it going with Princess anyway?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> yes
>>>>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from
>>>> Pilot
>>>>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It
>>>>>> can
>>>> get
>>>>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> probably wait.
>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop
>>>>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler,
>>>>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility,
>>>> and
>>>>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would
>>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 24
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:56 -0500
>>>>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <1FAE387A60FE41C59A2E51B25E5EA326 at jessicasearsPC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Knowing your area as good as I do I will say it is not a dog area.
>>>>> There
>>>> are
>>>>> no sidewalks and no transpo. I will say a dog is a huge responsibility
>>>>> but
>>>>> for me it is worth it every time he gets me around things, licks my
>>>>> hand,
>>>> or
>>>>> even puts his paws on me to say lets play. When I got a dog I will be
>>>> honest
>>>>> in saying I had no clue what I was in for. The first 6 months were
>>>>> definitely stressful on both of us but we worked hard through and am
>>>>> so
>>>>> blessed to have him. Think hard about the choice and no that is not an
>>>>> excuse you are making. Though some schools pay for some vet care most
>>>>> require you to put it out first before getting refunded later. It is
>>>>> all
>>>> up
>>>>> to you and only you know inside what is best for you. Good luck.
>>>>> Jess
>>>>> Jess
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida.
>>>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>> driven
>>>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>> Am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 25
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:49:32 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <F2F9145478A64DE8B1E323FAF60F4330 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>>> we
>>>> go
>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>>> she
>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's
>>>> due
>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed
>>>>>> her
>>>> the
>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and
>>>>>> gave
>>>> her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>> soft
>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the
>>>>>> vet
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because
>>>> it
>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 26
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:52:12 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000601cce532$baec36f0$30c4a4d0$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I just
>>>>> wanted
>>>> to
>>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me everyday.
>>>> She's
>>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when
>>>>> we
>>>> go
>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce
>>>>> she
>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I
>>>>>> gave
>>>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to
>>>>>> having.
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 27
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:53:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <E248AD4EC6E74C3E8CF395C5A4039FB4 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll know! Just don't let others tell you what you need! I have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> folks who think they need a dog because they're doctors tell them
>>>>> that's
>>>>> they should have! However, they're mobility skills are not gode and
>>>>> some
>>>>> don't even like dogs!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>>>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use
>>>>>> of
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel.
>>>>>> Mr.
>>>>>> Sandefur
>>>>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>>>>> experience, he
>>>>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>>>>> travel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to
>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>> his goal of
>>>>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> longer pursue
>>>>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave
>>>>>> up
>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> apply for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> supposed to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the
>>>>>> future?
>>>>>> My mentel health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are
>>>>>>>> a
>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to
>>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>> for me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't
>>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>> how you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all
>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> you need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>>>>>>> excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> you as guide dog users think? I would have to feed the dog, take
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> check ups. It is an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 28
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <4389FF66D4F84F1090039553D1440AD9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>> dump!
>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and
>>>>> I'm
>>>> not
>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>>> job,
>>>>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we
>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> her a
>>>>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>>>>> despite
>>>>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very
>>>>>>> soft
>>>>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the
>>>>>>> vet
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white
>>>>>>> rice
>>>> and
>>>>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed
>>>> them
>>>>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all
>>>> think?
>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>> cheese
>>>>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 29
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <91E8F75953C443A5A0BA051DA3DE03E9 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you bill! You got a dog just so you could have a friend that
>>>>> would
>>>>> have to listen to you!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>>>>> because i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and
>>>>>> limitations,
>>>>>> and i personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> scaled friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>>>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>>>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 30
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000801cce533$8d9d2280$a8d76780$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she
>>>>> did
>>>>> when we got home.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>> dump!
>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and
>>>>> I'm
>>>> not
>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>>>> *smile*.
>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white
>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 31
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:01:24 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <B7B8725372124235A8F42E96C943FA01 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>>> because
>>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>>> beggars!
>>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>>> treats
>>>>> always and of many types!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just
>>>>>> trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> you take the dog home
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 32
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:08:07 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <000a01cce534$f413f330$dc3bd990$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I've definitely noticed that. Do you think Princess got sick from
>>>>> the
>>>>> milk bones? I mean she's never had them before... the Petco grooming
>>>>> salon
>>>>> people seem to think it's the milk bones that made her have
>>>>> diarrhea...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly
>>>> because
>>>>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and
>>>> beggars!
>>>>>
>>>>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>>>>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog
>>>> treats
>>>>> always and of many types!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just
>>>>>> trust
>>>>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>>>>> once you take the dog home William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 33
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:13 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <02B6FD20C6754A00BF5166F4F1621825 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>>>> think
>>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be
>>>>>> a
>>>> big
>>>>>>
>>>>>> deal!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>tell
>>>>>>>me
>>>>>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>Florida.
>>>>>>>We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be
>>>>>>>driven
>>>>>>>to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>>>>>traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>>>>>responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>>>Am
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>>>>users
>>>>>>>think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>>>>>animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 34
>>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:58 -0600
>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <4F3080B2.5010300 at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> RJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it doesn't matter what I think! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether or not you get a guide dog is totally, completely all you.
>>>>> You
>>>>> are the one who is going to have to train with the dog, take care of
>>>>> the
>>>>> dog, clean up poop and foot the bills. You are also the one who
>>>>> would
>>>>> be traveling with the dog. If you feel you would prefer to work a dog
>>>>> than use a cane, then go for it. If not, just say no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea why your family or mobility instructor don't feel you
>>>>> would benefit from a guide. That is an entirely different issue
>>>>> though. Some family members get upset by the idea of guide dogs
>>>>> because
>>>>> they feel the dog will do the job they used to do. Some mobility
>>>>> instructors feel guide dogs are only for totally blind people or blind
>>>>> people with poor O&M. That isn't true though. I am a very good cane
>>>>> traveler as are many of the people on this list. And I know people
>>>>> who
>>>>> are really not so great with a cane and do not want a dog. It really
>>>>> comes down to personal choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with whatever you choose,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/2012 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>> you decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> tell me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in
>>>>>> Okeechobee Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I
>>>>>> practually have to be driven to church, the store etc. Others from
>>>>>> people at church are telling me to stop making excuses, and get a
>>>>>> dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and they tell me
>>>>>> that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just
>>>>>> making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>>>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 35
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0500
>>>>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <011101cce539$e9e50a20$2cdbe504 at o4r3f1>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so glad Princess did so well on the flight home. Now as far as
>>>> Princess
>>>>> goes I would follow the recommendations of what your vet told you to
>>>>> do.
>>>>> Good luck and I hope Princess feels better soon. Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori and the Gipper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 36
>>>>> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
>>>>> From: t21114 at optonline.net
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <e651ecee2a7fb.4f308436 at optonline.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Hannah,
>>>>> Glad you trip home with Princess was good. Just be patient with her as
>>>>> everything is new to her and she doesn't know what's going on. New
>>>>> place
>>>> and
>>>>> new people.
>>>>> Marilyn and Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Hannah Chadwick
>>>>> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:53 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I
>>>>>> just wanted to
>>>>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>>>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me
>>>>>> everyday. She's
>>>>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly
>>>>>> had some
>>>>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so.
>>>>>> Also, when we go
>>>>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much.
>>>>>> Se4nce she
>>>>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets
>>>>>> home!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>>> > Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>> > job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>>> *smile*.> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much
>>>>>> and I believe it's
>>>>>> > due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>>>>>> etc. I gave
>>>>>> > her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>> not to
>>>>>> > feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>> Friday
>>>>>> > night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>>> milk
>>>>>> > bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> > super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> > Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by
>>>>>> yesterday,
>>>>>> > she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> > got very worried.
>>>>>> > The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on
>>>>>> white rice
>>>>>> > and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> > because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> > hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and
>>>>>> again that
>>>>>> > we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>> to having.
>>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>> > Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and
>>>>>> cottage
>>>>>> > cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> > have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>> > Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>>>> info for
>>>>>> > nagdu:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/lkeeler%40comcast.n>
>>>> et
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 37
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:07:53 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <7B2E2A14BC7048C0BA7B341D4C654721 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>>> glades
>>>>> lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 38
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <F0B7E49242F24C78ADBCB3D45BE332F8 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 39
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:12:05 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <2A902EDA07834170B923047BF1A5148B at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> bite me lolol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 40
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:14:11 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <E0296F5BC609475DBB33E60BF96A4264 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 41
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:16:43 -0500
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <777EA0DE56CB46B49D8106AF668A0DE9 at hometwxakonvzn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaters love them some human, and guide dog on top of that if you're
>>>>> not
>>>>> carefull RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>> glades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
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>>>> il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 42
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:20:47 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <05B78F64214A4E7AB5B3C2625678BA05 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the dog is normal! The sniffer is online!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing
>>>>>> she
>>>> did
>>>>>> when we got home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and
>>>>>> dump!
>>>>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>the rice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>>>>>>> fantastic
>>>>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>>>>>>> *smile*.
>>>>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white
>>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> et
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 43
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:22:58 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <9432D2FC6DFA426D83D7028ED48870B6 at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, isn't Lynard a labragator?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there
>>>> glades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 44
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <1AAD8255744E4128B5D1FB0917EABDCC at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> Not!!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 45
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:24:04 -0500
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <41DB924FDAAC41FEBBB3C546CB38178A at yourec0540d030>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave that to Lynard!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> bite me lolol William And LD Lynard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 46
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:27:33 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <599BF7133C3E49FB834201E5005F4AF7 at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> labrigater or labricarpet depending on what time it is lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 47
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:30:26 -0500
>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <10485F40135247109F447BF097331A8A at Babylon5>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>>
>>>>> he don't bite, he just licks and licks and licks lol
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 48
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:07 -0700
>>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <FEFFCF640DEC457696CF8FE3C390ABB3 at bibi>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken
>>>>> and
>>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and
>>>>> Granny
>>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>>> the
>>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>>> can
>>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small
>>>>> amount.
>>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>>> skin
>>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>>> chop
>>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft
>>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>>> dog to digest.
>>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be
>>>>> very
>>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it
>>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half
>>>>> cup
>>>>> of
>>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>>> what
>>>>> they have to say.
>>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>>> rich
>>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>>> brown
>>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where
>>>>> he
>>>> had
>>>>> constant gas.
>>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>>> it
>>>> so
>>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views,
>>>>> feelings
>>>>> or
>>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet.
>>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>>> the
>>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 49
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0700
>>>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] My Adventure and Odie's new bone
>>>>> Message-ID: <906BE1D47AF34A6F85FE2F2559703AA1 at bibi>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>> Today was my adventure outtside, especially after being kept indoors
>>>>> for
>>>>> over seventy-two hours, three days.
>>>>> My friend Amanda Dreher and I both left our working dogs at home and
>>>>> took
>>>>> the plunge upon the challenge that lie ahead of us.
>>>>> That challenge was having to climb over big mounds of snow drifts that
>>>> were
>>>>> everywhere.
>>>>> Even when I went outtside to catch the route38 bus, I had to climb
>>>>> over
>>>> the
>>>>> large snow bank and stand in the gutter to wait for the bus.
>>>>> Once the bus pulled up, I flagged the driver down to indicated I
>>>>> wanted
>>>> him.
>>>>> While out and about, I bought Amanda her birthday present which was a
>>>>> box
>>>> of
>>>>> chocolate Truffles from cee's Candy and then did another purchase at
>>>> Petco.
>>>>> I ended up buying some nature's Miracle to have around in case Odie
>>>>> were
>>>> to
>>>>> have another indoor accident or get sick.
>>>>> I ended up buying him a bone filled with peanutbutter filling on the
>>>> inside.
>>>>> He loves those kind of bones and enjoys licking the inside filling out
>>>>> of
>>>>> it.
>>>>> It also does help keep his teeth clean, the outtside part as when he
>>>>> is
>>>>> chewing on it, the scraping will get the tardor off.
>>>>> Of course, Dale and I still brush his teeth with using a small amount
>>>>> of
>>>>> baking soda by turning it into a paste.
>>>>> He doesn't like that, but at least it helps prevent build up or
>>>>> vacteria
>>>> in
>>>>> his mouth.
>>>>> I usually don't buy a bone on a continuous basis, but will get Odie
>>>>> one
>>>> once
>>>>> in a great while.
>>>>> He has plenty from Dog Savvy that are organtic and a few from Petsmart
>>>> that
>>>>> have sweet potatoe filling on the inside.
>>>>> Thankfully, I won't have to venture back out again until Thursday.
>>>>> I'll admit that the February, 2012 is the worst blizard for its time
>>>>> as
>>>>> of
>>>>> right now.
>>>>> Still, I'm greatful for all of that snow to help clean the air up.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 50
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:39:21 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>> Message-ID: <E84F2944-445A-4FC7-ADE4-BA68B240F218 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, that conjures up picts. But would your dog do that while in
>>>>> harness
>>>> at
>>>>> the wedding? LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Jessica wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to
>>>>>> hump
>>>>>> other doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work
>>>>>> with
>>>> me
>>>>>> after I get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in
>>>>>> Orlando for 3 years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my
>>>>>> home
>>>>>> town before getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>>>>> Jess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since
>>>>>>> both
>>>> of
>>>>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live
>>>>>>> in
>>>> PA,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie.
>>>>>>> Emma
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Jessica
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have
>>>>>>> posted.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>>>>>> campus.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am
>>>>>>> planning
>>>> my
>>>>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am
>>>> moving
>>>>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more
>>>>>>> focused
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>> is
>>>>>>> doing well
>>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 51
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:40:10 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <0D04B330-2924-4872-AF33-DE2FE49B2331 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I didn't want one either, but when I did decide my decision
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> based on if anybody thought I needed one or not. The decision was
>>>>> fully
>>>>> mine, and I got it because of pain in my hands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't
>>>>>> get
>>>> a
>>>>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was
>>>>>> to
>>>> it!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking
>>>>>>> if
>>>> you
>>>>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to
>>>>>>> is
>>>> you
>>>>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 52
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:48:45 -0600
>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>> Message-ID: <F7E0678B-EB49-4AEC-B9CC-20B1E2F30D56 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Vets are familiar with guide dogs. They sometimes think they are
>>>>> really
>>>>> amazing; they are just well trained and some of their staff is more
>>>>> apt
>>>>> to
>>>>> think that. Some people really think because the dog is a dog it
>>>> robotically
>>>>> does the things you want it to do, but it is still a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would
>>>> think
>>>>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big
>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move
>>>> much
>>>>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> big deal!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to
>>>> care
>>>>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 53
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:51:01 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <001201cce54b$b5e98630$21bc9290$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> William,
>>>>> I don't believe she's ever had milk bones before...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:14 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>>>>> nk.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 54
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:56:10 -0800
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>> Message-ID: <001401cce54c$6db42720$491c7560$@suddenlink.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you Bibi! This is definitely helpful *smile*.
>>>>> All the best, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Criminal Justice Major
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:58 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Hannah,
>>>>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken
>>>>> and
>>>>> cottage cheese.
>>>>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>>>>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and
>>>>> Granny
>>>>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>>>>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>>>>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on
>>>>> the
>>>>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>>>>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the
>>>>> can
>>>>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>>>>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>>>>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small
>>>>> amount.
>>>>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the
>>>>> skin
>>>>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and
>>>>> chop
>>>>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>>>>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft
>>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>>> dog to digest.
>>>>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet recommends it.
>>>>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be
>>>>> very
>>>>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>>>>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it
>>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>>>>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half
>>>>> cup
>>>>> of
>>>>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>>>>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on
>>>> what
>>>>> they have to say.
>>>>> They will get to know your dog more.
>>>>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very
>>>>> rich
>>>>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>>>>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with
>>>>> brown
>>>>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where
>>>>> he
>>>> had
>>>>> constant gas.
>>>>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to
>>>>> it
>>>> so
>>>>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>>>>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views,
>>>>> feelings
>>>>> or
>>>>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with
>>>>> your
>>>>> vet.
>>>>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and
>>>>> the
>>>>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>>>>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>>>>> medical alert service dog
>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:11:03 -0500
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Room
>>>> Message-ID: <d448b253ba5360ab23593e5108635582.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Ugh, I've been in "the room" once. I vowed never to end up there
>>>> again.
>>>> I've been avoiding flying as much as possible. It's become very
>>>> unpleasant. We travellers are not valued customers; we're cattle to be
>>>> herded about as our masters please.
>>>> I always ask at the gate if it's the right flight, and make frequent
>>>> use
>>>> of the toll-free number to check flight status. I think one can get a
>>>> text message about flight changes as well. I have heard announcements,
>>>> but
>>>> sometimes they're the announcement saying my flight is boarding, and I
>>>> have to run like mad somewhere I'm not.
>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday was the first time I was subjected to the United Airlines
>>>>> warehouse for people with disabilities in Chicago. It was humiliating
>>>>> to
>>>>> say the least.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I have a question for you. If your plane departure changes gates,
>>>>> do
>>>>> they flash it on a screen only or do they say it. Last time I was in
>>>>> Chicago, I went to my gate alone, but if there hadn't been a guy going
>>>>> to
>>>>> Des Moines on the same flight, I wouldn't have known they changed
>>>>> gates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:02:01 +0000
>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC7832F6FFFD at TSEAMB02>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it
>>>> was
>>>> human beef jerky.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>
>>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for
>>>> wrestler
>>>> consumption
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:12:46 -0600
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>> Message-ID: <FEC7EACC-E9D0-48AF-9568-66D5348861BC at gmail.com>
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>>>> Once I was working the NAGDU Table at convention and there were some
>>>> such
>>>> treats and a guy thought it was for people. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My husband almost ate the dog treats at my parents house thinking it
>>>>> was
>>>>> human beef jerky.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of William Vandervest
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:33 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food and Re: flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>>>
>>>>> have Carol write really big and bold print DOG TREATS, not for
>>>>> wrestler
>>>>> consumption
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:24 -0800
>> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> Message-ID: <fb8da20ee2099.4f43c5b0 at shaw.ca>
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>>
>> Hi Mark:
>>
>> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind
>> apparently) I
>> think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first got
>> bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the rules
>> from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets to
>> him.
>> He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing this.
>> Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at his
>> dish.
>> Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>>
>> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too. Because
>> he
>> wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and rice
>> rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7 and
>> were
>> only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was silly to
>> spend
>> so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had our supper.
>> Before
>> I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear him eating around
>> 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding until supper the
>> next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it. Bogart was at the vet
>> last
>> week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So whatever we have
>> worked
>> out seems to be working for him.
>>
>> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
>> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>>
>>>
>>> >I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>>> old and it was a long time ago.
>>> >
>>> >CL
>>> >
>>> >On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>>> of emptying his bowl.
>>> >>
>>> >>Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>>> >>
>>> >>Meghan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> >>>Not eating
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Mark
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:00 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
>> Message-ID:
>> <1329870360.49232.yint-ygo-j2me at web124918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> Does that meen you are getting your first Guide Dog? I can help you with
>> any
>> thing if you need. I'm not the smartest person; I just have my first Dog.
>> Please feel free to call me at 817-929-5231 John Vickers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Good luck :)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Rachel Krieg
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:48 AM
>>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>Subject: [nagdu] update
>>>
>>>Hi, all.
>>>
>>>I have my interview with Guide Dogs of America this morning at 11 so if
>>>you
>>>all could keep me in your thoughts and prayers I would greatly appreciate
>>>it. Thanks.
>>>Rachel
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:33:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog
>> grooming = wicked amazing!
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>>
>> I was wanting to know how long do you leav them; and how do you know when
>> to
>> stop cutting. John Vickers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Thank you Julie. I'll definitely look in to it :)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Julie J.
>>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:45 AM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] nail trimming was Worlds best pet store + dog
>>>grooming
>>>= wicked amazing!
>>>
>>>Hannah,
>>>
>>>I use two different tools, a traditional nail trimmer and the PediPaws
>>>nail
>>>grinder.
>>>
>>>First the traditional nail clippers. I've tried several
>>>brands/quality/styles. I'd highly recommend spending the money for some
>>>really good clippers. The cheap ones either won't work at all or will
>>>crush and splinter the nail. I think the kind I'm using right now cost
>>>around $15 and should last at least for the next 10 years. You can
>>>usually
>>>buy replacement blades for the more high quality clippers, but by the
>>>time
>>> I
>>>need a replacement blade, I've forgotten what brand I have or where I got
>>>them.
>>>
>>>Anyhow, the way I trim nails is to position the nail in the hole made by
>>> the
>>>open clipper blades. I use a finger on the tip of the nail to check how
>>>much is poking through, which is how much will be trimmed off. I
>>>generally
>>>go a tiny bit at a time, preferring to make repeat cuts if necessary
>>>rather
>>>than risking taking off too much. I have trimmed too short before.
>>>
>>>The second method is some sort of grinder. Several people on this list
>>>use
>>>grinders. Tracy comes to mind. she has a much more powerful grinder and
>>>can get the job done very quickly. I have the PediPaws. It
>>>does eventually get the job done, but you have to be patient. With a
>>>grinder you basically rub or swipe the end of the nail to take off the
>>>desired amount of material.
>>>
>>>Different people prefer different methods as do the dogs. the nail
>>>grinder
>>>makes a bit of noise and will vibrate the nail. I used a bit of hot dog
>>>to
>>>get both of my dogs used to this. I don't think it's their
>>>favorite thing in the world, but they don't fuss either. I find the
>>>traditional clippers faster, but they require more skill and they leave
>>>a sharp edge. Belle doesn't mind the regular clippers so much. I tend
>>>to use them more when I can immediately take her for a walk on cement,
>>> which
>>>wears off the sharp edges.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>Julie
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:04:10 -0600
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>> Message-ID: <005401ccf0fd$e2c53970$a84fac50$@charter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Julie,
>> Your point is valid, but there is a continuum of where persons who are
>> diagnosed with a form of dementia or Alzheimer's in terms of where they
>> are
>> in their memory. Thos with advanced are most likely not able to even
>> being
>> to consider such a dog, and from my experience, many times transition
>> from
>> their home to assisted living to a nursing home. My guess, is that this
>> would focus on the early to medium range end of the dementia spectrum.
>> JMO,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:56 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs for the Mind
>>
>> Okay, I'm all for any sort of service dog that can help with any sort of
>> disabling condition. I think we've barely scratched the surface of what
>> dogs
>> can be taught to do.
>>
>> But...there is one serious concern I have with this project. If the
>> individuals cannot remember to take their medications, how are they going
>> to
>> remember to give their dog, food, water, let the dog out to relieve or
>> give
>> the dog his medication if the need should arise?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/2012 7:37 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>> Guide dogs for the mind: The retrievers being trained to give dementia
>>> sufferers a new life
>>>
>>> By George Arbuthnott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First there were guide dogs for the blind, then hearing dogs for the
>>> deaf.
>>> Now man?s best friend could help to care for people suffering from
>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> Golden retrievers and labradors are being taught to remind people to
>>> take
>>> their tablets, raise the alarm in an emergency, assist with undressing
>>> and
>>> help out around the home.
>>>
>>> Under the ?Dementia Dog? project the animals are trained to respond to
>>> an
>>> alarm that goes off whenever a person who is struggling with memory loss
>>> needs to take medication.
>>>
>>> The dogs will be taught to help people undress by gently pulling on
>>> gloves, socks and sleeves
>>>
>>> The dog then clenches its mouth around the medicine, stored in a
>>> bite-proof bag, and carries it to the sufferer.
>>>
>>> Animals can also be taught to recognise a specific movement that their
>>> owner would make when in distress.
>>>
>>> The dog would then either press an emergency button on a telephone or
>>> bark
>>> loudly to raise the alarm.
>>>
>>> And dogs can learn to open cupboards, drawers, fridges and washing
>>> machines, flick light switches, and even help people suffering from
>>> dementia to undress.
>>>
>>> Experts say the animals can be trained to carry out any task that
>>> requires
>>> a pulling motion. So if a short rope is attached to a cupboard door, the
>>> dog can open it.
>>>
>>> When it comes to helping with undressing, the dogs are trained to pull
>>> at
>>> the sleeve of a coat or tug off socks.
>>>
>>> So far the project has been given ?52,000 of Government funding, but
>>> needs
>>> to raise a further ?130,000 to launch a pilot scheme later this year.
>>>
>>> Eventually, it is hoped the initiative will allow many more of the
>>> 750,000
>>> Britons who suffer from dementia to retain their independence for
>>> longer.
>>>
>>> The dogs will undergo a six-month training programme using ?positive
>>> reinforcement?, which means that whenever they complete a task
>>> correctly,
>>> they get a treat.
>>>
>>> If the scheme, developed by voluntary organisation Alzheimer Scotland,
>>> gains funding, it will be the first time that dogs have been used to
>>> assist those with dementia.
>>>
>>> A piece of string can be attached to handles so that doors and
>>> cupboards can be opened
>>>
>>> The organisation?s deputy director, Joyce Gray, said: ?We are really
>>> hopeful the dogs will not only be a huge practical help but also provide
>>> great emotional support.
>>>
>>> ?People with the condition can easily become isolated and the dog will
>>> be
>>> a constant companion, which will help them to keep social.?
>>>
>>> Sufferers of early-stage dementia are now being urged to suggest other
>>> ways the dogs could improve their lives.
>>>
>>> The feedback will be incorporated into the pilot scheme once the funding
>>> is raised.
>>>
>>> Four students at Glasgow School of Art came up with the idea after
>>> Alzheimer Scotland challenged the college to suggest an innovative way
>>> to
>>> improve the lives of dementia sufferers.
>>>
>>> The concept was pitched to the Design Council, which in partnership with
>>> the Department of Health was offering funding for projects that helped
>>> those with early-stage dementia.
>>>
>>> The Dementia Dogs scheme has now gained the backing of charities Dogs
>>> For
>>> The Disabled and Guide Dogs, which already provide dogs with similar
>>> skills to help those with physical disabilities.
>>>
>>> The number of people with dementia is set to hit one million by 2021 and
>>> 1.7?million by 2050. It is believed that six out of ten of those with
>>> the
>>> condition are undiagnosed.
>>>
>>> Sufferers of dementia and their relatives are urged to suggest ways that
>>> dogs could help them via the website dementiadog.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:41:53 -0700
>> From: "Rachel Krieg" <serenityangel1983 at gmail.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <27C4CB9770FB4935A60460DA71CDA1DD at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>> dog.
>> Rachel
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:09:50 -0800
>> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>> Message-ID: <98309B53-BD28-4A67-959D-CAA13F9558CD at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> garry, I think you are right.
>> smile. .
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:26 PM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mark:
>>>
>>> Way behind on my emails on this list (like 500 messages behind
>>> apparently)
>>> I think sheppards and poodles have quite a bit in common. When I first
>>> got bogart home it was hard to get him to eat, especially following the
>>> rules from the school. Sometimes, even to this day, I roll his crockets
>>> to him. He thinks it is a fun game and in a way, we are bonding by doing
>>> this. Gradually I shorten my rolls until I have them dropping right at
>>> his
>>> dish. Usually he takes over and eats from his dish.
>>>
>>> Also, scheduled feedings soon went the way of the dodo bird too.
>>> Because
>>> he wasn't eating I'd buy those sort of gross lightly cooked chicken and
>>> rice rols. Yes, he loved them and ate them immediately but they cost $7
>>> and were only good for about 3 meals. After awhile I decided this was
>>> silly to spend so much on breakfast. Now he tends to eat after we've had
>>> our supper. Before I go to bed I put food in his dish and I often hear
>>> him
>>> eating around 4:30am. Other times He won't eat that late night feeding
>>> until supper the next day. I've onestly stopped worrying about it.
>>> Bogart
>>> was at the vet last week and is a very healthy 57 lbs and very fit. So
>>> whatever we have worked out seems to be working for him.
>>>
>>> My message is that it will all work out eventually. Unless the dog is
>>> showing other symptons of being sick, they will eat eventually.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:07 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what I have been doing. I take the bole of food out of
>>>> the dog food box put it down, leave it there for 45 minutes or
>>>> so, then return it untouched to the dog food box. I only hand
>>>> fed him once because he had not eaten for 4 meals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Not eating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect you might not want to start hand feeding your dog. I
>>>> suspect it is well to leave down the food a period of time and
>>>> then put it away; then feed at the next feeding time. I have to
>>>> think eventually the dog is going to eat. Neither of my GSDs
>>>> were dogs with a huge desire to eat, though I think one started
>>>> out like she might be. Not sure about that though because I'm
>>>> old and it was a long time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you haven't had him long, but has he done this
>>>> before? It took four months with my second shepherd to get
>>>> her on a reliable eating schedule. It was really hard for
>>>> me, but I decided she would eat when she was hungry, so I gave
>>>> her about 20 minutes to eat, and if she didn't, tough cookies
>>>> until the next meal. If she had a completely empty
>>>> stomach, she would throw up bile, so if she missed breakfast, I
>>>> would just give her a treat around lunchtime so her stomach was
>>>> not completely empty. I gave it later in the day so that
>>>> she would not learn that not eating earned her a treat.
>>>> When we were somewhere where would have a very full/busy
>>>> schedule, like a convention or something, I would maybe crumble
>>>> a treat and mix it into her food if she did not seem interested,
>>>> but that was only when I was worried she would be working too
>>>> hard and burning too much to be held over by one treat.
>>>> This is a shepherd thing, and if you have only had him for a
>>>> short while, he could have reached a phase where he realizes
>>>> this is not short-term, and the stress of the new adjustment has
>>>> caught up with him. You could also try feeding him half as
>>>> much as he usually eats for a few meals to get him in the habit
>>>> of emptying his bowl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a few tricks/ideas that have worked for me in the
>>>> past. Of course, if you think he is sick, disregard all of
>>>> this and take him to the vet. Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meghan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/2012 2:35 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>> Not eating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My dog is being extremely picky about eating over the past 10
>>>> days or so. He has gone a few days without eating anything. He
>>>> is still drinking water, and will eat treats with no hesitation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you may know, I am feeding him Taste of the Wild Dry Dog
>>>> Food, Hi Prairie Canine Formula with Roasted Bison & Venison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out of desperation I tried filling his bole with some of the
>>>> remaining natural balance salmon and sweet potato, Fidelco
>>>> provided with the dog, with the same result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will fill his bole with food, put it out, leave it there
>>>> for 45 minutes or so, then put it back in the food container
>>>> untouched. This will go on for 4 meals, and then I decided to
>>>> make him eat. I sat there, and fed him out of my hand for the
>>>> entire 2 cups of food. This has happened twice, in the past 10
>>>> days. One would suspect that after the 2nd day, he would be
>>>> quite hungry. I am concerned there is something more going on
>>>> hear besides him just being picky. Instead of eating, he chews
>>>> on his bone and stares at the food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestions, comments, ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:59:14 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <008f01ccf11e$bab579b0$30206d10$@gmail.com>
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>> Rachael,
>> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in
>> soon
>> if you're already a graduate from there...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Rachel Krieg
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want another
>> dog.
>> Rachel
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>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:17:27 -0800
>> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another update
>> Message-ID: <0DED3373-5AF4-476C-B941-84A2F5BCDECC at gmail.com>
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>> Hey ratchel.
>> All the best.
>> from rhonda.
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Rachael,
>>> Aren't you on the waiting list for Pilot? Seems like you should get in
>>> soon
>>> if you're already a graduate from there...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Rachel Krieg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:42 PM
>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>> Subject: [nagdu] another update
>>>
>>> Hi, all.
>>>
>>> My interview with GDA went okay. I haven't been accepted or denied. They
>>> need me to work on my street crossings and increasing my stamina. I am
>>> disappointed, but will do whatever it takes as I desperately want
>>> another
>>> dog.
>>> Rachel
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:56:50 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>> Message-ID: <000601ccf126$c60c5510$5224ff30$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
>> Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in
>> no
>> time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will
>> damage
>> her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
>> managed...
>> The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet
>> because
>> she works at a vet clinic...
>> Any thoughts?
>> All the best, Hannah and Princess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:21:25 -0800
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Avoiding Toy and Bone Problems
>> Message-ID: <289F1286610947B89C5E4FA5D6ED9EF6 at stanford.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>
>> A few times now, people have mentioned their dogs tearing up toys or
>> chewing through bones at an alarming and potentially unsafe rate. My
>> recommendation to remedy the problem is to get a goughnut. I am not
>> trying
>> to make a sales pitch. It has just been my experience that even the best
>> chewers take months to finally damage the toy enough to be replaced.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:15:49 -0800 (PST)
>> From: John Vickers <guidedoguser20 at yahoo.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] has this happened to anyone else?
>> Message-ID:
>> <1329909349.60553.yint-ygo-j2me at web124906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> She should be ok; just watch her, and make shure that she does not get
>> sick;
>> they are ment, for dogs; I don't think she will have a problem. John
>> Vickers, and Marcella the GuideDog Team!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:56 PM PST Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>I purchased a couple of chicken flavored nila bones for Princess from
>>>Amazon, and they arrived today. I gave her one, and she chewed it up in
>>>no
>>>time. She swallowed most of it, and I'm just wondering if this will
>>>damage
>>>her stomach? The bones itself seemed very hard to me, but she somehow
>>>managed...
>>>The other bone was given to a friend who plans to show it to the vet
>>> because
>>>she works at a vet clinic...
>>>Any thoughts?
>>>All the best, Hannah and Princess
>>>
>>>
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