[nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Thu Jan 12 13:19:59 UTC 2012 

Hey Doug the Eggman!  Ben is the walrus!  Because of his long whiskers.
Tracy


> I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
>
> Doug: I am the Eggman!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?
>
>
>> Tami,
>> I always say us and we.  Like Ben's song says
>> "I used to say I and me,
>> Now it's us,
>> Now it's we."
>>
>> It's part of why it's such a great, mushy, guide dog song.
>>
>> I have to watch it and remember not to say "we" when it was only me.
>> Like
>> you, I don't worry about it too much.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> Will and Toni,
>>>
>>> Using the dog's name in a professional signature line does seem a bit
>>> unprofessional, although there may be cases where it's not a big thing,
>>> depending... Maybe. I'm not thinking of anything right now, but norms
>>> for some professions are more relaxed than for others. Every now and
>>> then I get a wild hair and think it would be cute to put Mitzi's name
>>> in
>>> my personal signature or something. Then I remember that it would be
>>> too
>>> easy to forget to use the right signature on business or serious
>>> correspondence... So I take precautions there for my own
>>> absent-mindedness. /smile/
>>>
>>> If a guide dog user chooses to allow their dog free run of the house
>>> when company comes over, well so do a lot of dog owners. It depends on
>>> the dog, the handler and the guest, and I think Toni laid that out
>>> really well. If the dog is mugging the guests or snarfing food off the
>>> plates at the dinner table or even on the couch... Well, if I were the
>>> guest I would not be too eager to drop by again. Especially if the
>>> behavior was not handled by the handler. /lol/
>>>
>>> Mitzi has the run of the house when we have guests over, so I remind
>>> her
>>> of "company manners" when it's a formal gathering as opposed to a drop
>>> by from a really good buddy. /smile/ When it's our special friends,
>>> they
>>> have their own preferences, which she respects, so I smile happily and
>>> proudly at her and figure it's all good if everyone is happy. /lol/
>>> Poodles are funny beasts that way, not like dogs at all it can seem,
>>> but
>>> I've decided I quite like that.
>>>
>>> So she is now teaching the puppy good company manners, with support
>>> from
>>> the house humans. Way cool. Daisy had learned to be really good with
>>> company for the last couple of years of her life, but she did need
>>> watching to keep her from loving them too much once she decided they
>>> were okay. /smile/ Mitzi is a very charming hostess, with her poodle
>>> grin and little dance and tail action. So it's fun watching the puppy
>>> learn from her and develop her own way of interacting with company.
>>>
>>> Where I wonder about myself with my attachment to my guide is when I
>>> realize I talk to her all the time... Then I heard from other guide dog
>>> users that they just go around talking to their dogs without realizing
>>> it. Also, I've noticed how that affects Mitzi and her understanding of
>>> what her work is about and all. It really strengthens our bond and
>>> working unity... Also, I realized I was talking, literally, to hear the
>>> sound of my own voice. For echolocation. /lol/ So Ive been retraining
>>> myself to use the echolocation without the constant chatter. I
>>> backslide
>>> to the point where I annoy myself when lose more vision or if I'm
>>> really
>>> tired or stressed in a complicated environment. Working on it! I make a
>>> conscious effort to use the clicker, which does great. Even when I'm
>>> using the cane. /lol/ I've never really taken to the finger snap, and I
>>> also use that with Mitzi to remind her to mind her manners when she's
>>> ancy. The tongue sound escapes me, more so when I'm tired and stressed
>>> and likely to run off at the mouth over nothing, so... The clicker it
>>> is!
>>>
>>> Oh, I've also noticed that I've fallen into referring to Mitzi and me
>>> as
>>> "we" in some contexts. We walked to the store. We went to the mall... I
>>> can never decide if I've gone goofy to do that or if it's natural
>>> because we're a partnership and are doing these things together as a
>>> team. I have decided not to worry about it. /grin/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 01/10/2012 04:44 PM, Toni Whaley wrote:
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I personally think it's inappropriate to use the dog's name in a
>>>> business
>>>> letter. Regarding having the run of the house, I think that depends on
>>>> the
>>>> nature of the dog. If the dog tends to be overly friendly especially
>>>> when
>>>> food is around, I think the dog should be in a crate or on a tiedown.
>>>> Onn
>>>> the other hand, if the dog doesn't really care about company and tends
>>>> to
>>>> stay out of the way or disappears, I think it's OK. Of course, there's
>>>> the
>>>> problem that the guests themselves may be more of a problem than the
>>>> dog;
>>>> that is, getting the dog too excited. I've had dogs of both types.
>>>> I've
>>>> also
>>>> tended to keep my dog out of sight on Haliween. evening, both to
>>>> prevent
>>>> the
>>>> dog from getting too excited and running out the opened door and/or
>>>> scaring
>>>> some of the children.
>>>>
>>>> Toni
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of William Burley
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope everyone is well.  I had an interesting discussion today with a
>>>> longtime guide dog user.  She brought up the fact that some handlers
>>>> seem to
>>>> take their relationships overboard with their guide dogs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some examples she gave were:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .         Including the dog's name in a professional e-mail signature
>>>>
>>>> .         Allowing the dog to have run of the house, even when guests
>>>> are
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She gave some others but I am drawing a blank now.  I have not
>>>> experienced
>>>> the two examples above but could see her point.  Have you guys dealt
>>>> with
>>>> someone you thought took their relationship with their guide to an
>>>> unhealthy
>>>> level?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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