[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Fri Jan 13 11:00:51 UTC 2012

Robert,
    Sam's and Cosko, along with numerous other consumer clubs are not 
private in nature. Membership is based upon the payment of a fee to receive 
the benefits of membership. What the law protects are clubs whose membership 
requirements might include specific characteristics. Let's say, for 
argument's sake, there is a club called the REdheaded Men of Tampa whose 
membership is only open to, well, redheaded men who live in Tampa. I could 
be a member, but my wife could not. She is neither redheaded nor a man. this 
club, private in nature, is not bound by the provisions of the ADA.

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Harris" <Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations


> I'd be interested to see that article too because it clashes with the
> bible.  What exactly are we talking about "Private Clubs" If we mean
> dating or similar more intense activity clubs, private skeete or gun
> clubs, etc I can dig what's going on, but if we mean Sams Club or other
> card holder shopping centers I have a real problem which is answered
> anyone who pays the fee can access the facility including with a dog
> guide. allot of legal mumbo-jumbo is going on where they tried to
> enterperate laws to suit private agendas. Change, Yes We CaN!!!!!
>
> Now my two questions I joined up to see if I could find an answer. In
> 1982 I bought a very heavy bouncy rubber ball with a bell in it. I still
> use it today but think it will eventually rot out.  Anyone know where
> those balls can be found today? It has a hole in it and has served me
> all 6 dogs well but Prince is beating on it good and has a strong bite.
> He gives me the ball after running about 60 yards with it.
>
> 2. What is the latest haps on good dog boots out there for heavy
> commuting in slush or are we still messing with what I've seen at
> petsmart and other local stores (junk)?
>
> Bobby and Prince
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 01/12/2012 03:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>            Organizations
> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
> Rebecca,
>    There are those on this list who may be able to provide a better
> explanation than I. I believe that, if a private club has specific
> membership requirements and those requirements are used across the
> spectrum,
> such as race, ethnicity, gender, or disability, use of those
> characteristics
> to exclude an individual for membership are not considered
> discriminatory.
>    There is an article on today's Associated Press in which the Courts
> have
> affirmed that the ADA does not apply to religious organizations. I will
> find
> that article and forward it to this list.
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
> Organizations
>
>
>> So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or disability?
>>
>> I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but it
>
>> couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
>> Can you explain?
>> And what constitutes a private club?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>> Organizations
>>
>>    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct
> as
>> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it
> relates
>> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own
> membership
>> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to
> join
>> a
>> private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who
> use
>> wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews,
>> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
>> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is
> their
>> right of association and free speech.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>> Organizations
>>
>>
>>> Sheila and all,
>>>
>>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA
> stems
>>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship
>>> where
>>> my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the option
> of
>>> exclusion.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there
> activities. I
>>>> won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church.
> If
>>>> my
>>>> dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>>>
>>>> Sheila Leiglan d
>>>>
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