[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Thu Jan 12 23:33:25 UTC 2012

I'd be interested to see that article too because it clashes with the
bible.  What exactly are we talking about "Private Clubs" If we mean
dating or similar more intense activity clubs, private skeete or gun
clubs, etc I can dig what's going on, but if we mean Sams Club or other
card holder shopping centers I have a real problem which is answered
anyone who pays the fee can access the facility including with a dog
guide. allot of legal mumbo-jumbo is going on where they tried to
enterperate laws to suit private agendas. Change, Yes We CaN!!!!!

Now my two questions I joined up to see if I could find an answer. In
1982 I bought a very heavy bouncy rubber ball with a bell in it. I still
use it today but think it will eventually rot out.  Anyone know where
those balls can be found today? It has a hole in it and has served me
all 6 dogs well but Prince is beating on it good and has a strong bite.
He gives me the ball after running about 60 yards with it.

2. What is the latest haps on good dog boots out there for heavy
commuting in slush or are we still messing with what I've seen at
petsmart and other local stores (junk)?

Bobby and Prince

From:	"Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To:	"NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide
            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date:	01/12/2012 03:58 PM
Subject:	Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
            Organizations
Sent by:	nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org

Rebecca,
    There are those on this list who may be able to provide a better
explanation than I. I believe that, if a private club has specific
membership requirements and those requirements are used across the
spectrum,
such as race, ethnicity, gender, or disability, use of those
characteristics
to exclude an individual for membership are not considered
discriminatory.
    There is an article on today's Associated Press in which the Courts
have
affirmed that the ADA does not apply to religious organizations. I will
find
that article and forward it to this list.
Fraternally yours,
Marion

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
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> So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or disability?
>
> I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but it

> couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
> Can you explain?
> And what constitutes a private club?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
> Organizations
>
>    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct
as
> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it
relates
> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own
membership
> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to
join
> a
> private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who
use
> wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews,
> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is
their
> right of association and free speech.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
> Organizations
>
>
>> Sheila and all,
>>
>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA
stems
>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>>
>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship
>> where
>> my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the option
of
>> exclusion.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there
activities. I
>>> won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church.
If
>>> my
>>> dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>>
>>> Sheila Leiglan d
>>>
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