[nagdu] Advice Requested

Sat Jan 21 00:29:01 UTC 2012

Hmm, IMO there's a huge difference between a smeery patch left over and a 
huge dropping.  Even if someone stepped on that smeary patch, they're not 
going to be tracking brown number 2 all over the campus.  It really sounds 
like someone has too much time on their hands.
I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested

>I am feeding the dog as recommended by the school. Also, we are 
>discontinuing treating the dog because training is almost over.
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> The complaints are coming from the office of disability services as an 
> official entity. The policy I am supposedly violating is there own policy 
> for service animals on campus. Witch states that handlers must clean up 
> after there dogs.
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> I am most certainly doing so, however, there are small remnants 
> occasionally left behind mostly in the form of a small stain or skid mark 
> on the concrete.
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> This could easily be rectified by the rain. It is a non issue, but they 
> are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>> Hmm, Mark
>>
>> I agree with the folks who are advising you to either change food or at 
>> least cut down on the treats.  New dogs get stressed, nothing wrong with 
>> that, but maybe gradually weaning the dog off of treats, or at least to a 
>> different type of treat would solve the loose stool issue.  I'm not sure 
>> what you're using for treats, but something with more fiber like green 
>> beans or even carrots would be good.  If you're treating him while you're 
>> working, you'd need to find something that's easy to carry and access 
>> when needed.
>>
>> When Katy goes on concrete I can pick up after her without leaving a huge 
>> smudge behind because her stool is so firm.  Of course, there are times 
>> when it's not, and in those cases I'm sure I leave something behind, but 
>> unless someone is crawling around on the concrete it's not a huge deal, 
>> especially if it's an occasional thing.
>>
>> Would your school have the same response with gum or someone emptying a 
>> soda or coffee on to the concrete?  I'm betting not. Plus  as others have 
>> pointed out, a car leaks all kinds of nonbiodegradable substances that 
>> have a worse impact on the environment and no one seems to care.  And 
>> come to think of it, I never see drivers picking up after their cars. 
>> <grin>
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>> Besides that, two things come to mind here.
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>> First, who is giving you grief about your dog's deposits?  Are they 
>> citing some kind of school regulation having to do with health or 
>> appearance?  If so, I'd ask to see those regs.  Is this a student worker 
>> or someone with a bit more pull?  Who is this person's supervisor? 
>> perhaps a discussion higher up the bureaucratic food chain would clarify 
>> things.
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>> Secondly, are the complainers positive this is your dog's droppings? 
>> Because unless they watched you pick up and miss a piece and leave a 
>> smear, how do they know for sure the remnants are from your dog?  You 
>> said this was an alley, right?  Who's to say what stray dogs or other 
>> quadrupeds are running around leaving little presents?
>>
>> I had a situation similar to this with my first dog.  I lived in a very 
>> pet friendly apartment complex.  Besides myself, there were several other 
>> dog users.  We dog users were always getting notes from the management 
>> about how we weren't picking up after our dogs.  I was accused of leaving 
>> things behind in places my dog never went.  Then a friend sitting on my 
>> second floor balcony just so happened to see someone, not a blind person, 
>> BTW, let their little puntable object stop, drop and plop and then go on 
>> it's merry way with no attempt to pick up at all.  When this was brought 
>> to the management everyone was shocked because they supposedly had a very 
>> strict pick up policy.  Naturally, the blind person is the easy target 
>> because it's not like we would know for certain that everyone else wasn't 
>> picking up after their dog.
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>> This isn't the first incident of a college having a very uh, anal 
>> attitude when it comes to dogs and their droppings.
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>> I hope you can get this resolved with a minimum of fuss.
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>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete and 
>>> is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware you 
>>> could wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's 
>>> puddles, and there is nothing I can do about that. They are all outside, 
>>> and down an allie.
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take that 
>>>> and scrub the area with it some more. I have  never heard of people 
>>>> having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk about it.
>>>>
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>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
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>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and because 
>>>>> the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. especially 
>>>>> when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>
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>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where 
>>>>>> the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue 
>>>>>> before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does the 
>>>>>> dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog 
>>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing 
>>>>>>> this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of 
>>>>>>> solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is impossible to 
>>>>>>> remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time 
>>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good 
>>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, the 
>>>>>>> skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are 
>>>>>>> causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
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