[nagdu] Advice Requested

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 21 00:34:39 UTC 2012 

Exactly. I'm just being unfairly picked on.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested


> Hmm, IMO there's a huge difference between a smeery patch left over and a 
> huge dropping.  Even if someone stepped on that smeary patch, they're not 
> going to be tracking brown number 2 all over the campus.  It really sounds 
> like someone has too much time on their hands.
> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
>
>>I am feeding the dog as recommended by the school. Also, we are 
>>discontinuing treating the dog because training is almost over.
>>
>>
>>
>> The complaints are coming from the office of disability services as an 
>> official entity. The policy I am supposedly violating is there own policy 
>> for service animals on campus. Witch states that handlers must clean up 
>> after there dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am most certainly doing so, however, there are small remnants 
>> occasionally left behind mostly in the form of a small stain or skid mark 
>> on the concrete.
>>
>>
>>
>> This could easily be rectified by the rain. It is a non issue, but they 
>> are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>>
>>> Hmm, Mark
>>>
>>> I agree with the folks who are advising you to either change food or at 
>>> least cut down on the treats.  New dogs get stressed, nothing wrong with 
>>> that, but maybe gradually weaning the dog off of treats, or at least to 
>>> a different type of treat would solve the loose stool issue.  I'm not 
>>> sure what you're using for treats, but something with more fiber like 
>>> green beans or even carrots would be good.  If you're treating him while 
>>> you're working, you'd need to find something that's easy to carry and 
>>> access when needed.
>>>
>>> When Katy goes on concrete I can pick up after her without leaving a 
>>> huge smudge behind because her stool is so firm.  Of course, there are 
>>> times when it's not, and in those cases I'm sure I leave something 
>>> behind, but unless someone is crawling around on the concrete it's not a 
>>> huge deal, especially if it's an occasional thing.
>>>
>>> Would your school have the same response with gum or someone emptying a 
>>> soda or coffee on to the concrete?  I'm betting not. Plus  as others 
>>> have pointed out, a car leaks all kinds of nonbiodegradable substances 
>>> that have a worse impact on the environment and no one seems to care. 
>>> And come to think of it, I never see drivers picking up after their 
>>> cars. <grin>
>>>
>>> Besides that, two things come to mind here.
>>>
>>> First, who is giving you grief about your dog's deposits?  Are they 
>>> citing some kind of school regulation having to do with health or 
>>> appearance?  If so, I'd ask to see those regs.  Is this a student worker 
>>> or someone with a bit more pull?  Who is this person's supervisor? 
>>> perhaps a discussion higher up the bureaucratic food chain would clarify 
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Secondly, are the complainers positive this is your dog's droppings? 
>>> Because unless they watched you pick up and miss a piece and leave a 
>>> smear, how do they know for sure the remnants are from your dog?  You 
>>> said this was an alley, right?  Who's to say what stray dogs or other 
>>> quadrupeds are running around leaving little presents?
>>>
>>> I had a situation similar to this with my first dog.  I lived in a very 
>>> pet friendly apartment complex.  Besides myself, there were several 
>>> other dog users.  We dog users were always getting notes from the 
>>> management about how we weren't picking up after our dogs.  I was 
>>> accused of leaving things behind in places my dog never went.  Then a 
>>> friend sitting on my second floor balcony just so happened to see 
>>> someone, not a blind person, BTW, let their little puntable object stop, 
>>> drop and plop and then go on it's merry way with no attempt to pick up 
>>> at all.  When this was brought to the management everyone was shocked 
>>> because they supposedly had a very strict pick up policy.  Naturally, 
>>> the blind person is the easy target because it's not like we would know 
>>> for certain that everyone else wasn't picking up after their dog.
>>>
>>> This isn't the first incident of a college having a very uh, anal 
>>> attitude when it comes to dogs and their droppings.
>>>
>>> I hope you can get this resolved with a minimum of fuss.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>>
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>>
>>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete and 
>>>> is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware you 
>>>> could wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's 
>>>> puddles, and there is nothing I can do about that. They are all 
>>>> outside, and down an allie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take 
>>>>> that and scrub the area with it some more. I have  never heard of 
>>>>> people having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk 
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and because 
>>>>>> the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. especially 
>>>>>> when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where 
>>>>>>> the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue 
>>>>>>> before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does the 
>>>>>>> dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog 
>>>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am 
>>>>>>>> doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" 
>>>>>>>> of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is impossible to 
>>>>>>>> remove.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time 
>>>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good 
>>>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, the 
>>>>>>>> skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are 
>>>>>>>> causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
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