[nagdu] Advice Requested

Sat Jan 21 00:37:33 UTC 2012

Just out of curiosity, how many people have service dogs on your campus?

I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested

> Exactly. I'm just being unfairly picked on.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>> Hmm, IMO there's a huge difference between a smeery patch left over and a 
>> huge dropping.  Even if someone stepped on that smeary patch, they're not 
>> going to be tracking brown number 2 all over the campus.  It really 
>> sounds like someone has too much time on their hands.
>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>>
>>>I am feeding the dog as recommended by the school. Also, we are 
>>>discontinuing treating the dog because training is almost over.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The complaints are coming from the office of disability services as an 
>>> official entity. The policy I am supposedly violating is there own 
>>> policy for service animals on campus. Witch states that handlers must 
>>> clean up after there dogs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am most certainly doing so, however, there are small remnants 
>>> occasionally left behind mostly in the form of a small stain or skid 
>>> mark on the concrete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This could easily be rectified by the rain. It is a non issue, but they 
>>> are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hmm, Mark
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the folks who are advising you to either change food or at 
>>>> least cut down on the treats.  New dogs get stressed, nothing wrong 
>>>> with that, but maybe gradually weaning the dog off of treats, or at 
>>>> least to a different type of treat would solve the loose stool issue. 
>>>> I'm not sure what you're using for treats, but something with more 
>>>> fiber like green beans or even carrots would be good.  If you're 
>>>> treating him while you're working, you'd need to find something that's 
>>>> easy to carry and access when needed.
>>>>
>>>> When Katy goes on concrete I can pick up after her without leaving a 
>>>> huge smudge behind because her stool is so firm.  Of course, there are 
>>>> times when it's not, and in those cases I'm sure I leave something 
>>>> behind, but unless someone is crawling around on the concrete it's not 
>>>> a huge deal, especially if it's an occasional thing.
>>>>
>>>> Would your school have the same response with gum or someone emptying a 
>>>> soda or coffee on to the concrete?  I'm betting not. Plus  as others 
>>>> have pointed out, a car leaks all kinds of nonbiodegradable substances 
>>>> that have a worse impact on the environment and no one seems to care. 
>>>> And come to think of it, I never see drivers picking up after their 
>>>> cars. <grin>
>>>>
>>>> Besides that, two things come to mind here.
>>>>
>>>> First, who is giving you grief about your dog's deposits?  Are they 
>>>> citing some kind of school regulation having to do with health or 
>>>> appearance?  If so, I'd ask to see those regs.  Is this a student 
>>>> worker or someone with a bit more pull?  Who is this person's 
>>>> supervisor? perhaps a discussion higher up the bureaucratic food chain 
>>>> would clarify things.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, are the complainers positive this is your dog's droppings? 
>>>> Because unless they watched you pick up and miss a piece and leave a 
>>>> smear, how do they know for sure the remnants are from your dog?  You 
>>>> said this was an alley, right?  Who's to say what stray dogs or other 
>>>> quadrupeds are running around leaving little presents?
>>>>
>>>> I had a situation similar to this with my first dog.  I lived in a very 
>>>> pet friendly apartment complex.  Besides myself, there were several 
>>>> other dog users.  We dog users were always getting notes from the 
>>>> management about how we weren't picking up after our dogs.  I was 
>>>> accused of leaving things behind in places my dog never went.  Then a 
>>>> friend sitting on my second floor balcony just so happened to see 
>>>> someone, not a blind person, BTW, let their little puntable object 
>>>> stop, drop and plop and then go on it's merry way with no attempt to 
>>>> pick up at all.  When this was brought to the management everyone was 
>>>> shocked because they supposedly had a very strict pick up policy. 
>>>> Naturally, the blind person is the easy target because it's not like we 
>>>> would know for certain that everyone else wasn't picking up after their 
>>>> dog.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't the first incident of a college having a very uh, anal 
>>>> attitude when it comes to dogs and their droppings.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can get this resolved with a minimum of fuss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>>>
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete and 
>>>>> is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware you 
>>>>> could wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's 
>>>>> puddles, and there is nothing I can do about that. They are all 
>>>>> outside, and down an allie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take 
>>>>>> that and scrub the area with it some more. I have  never heard of 
>>>>>> people having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk 
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and 
>>>>>>> because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. 
>>>>>>> especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where 
>>>>>>>> the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue 
>>>>>>>> before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does 
>>>>>>>> the dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog 
>>>>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am 
>>>>>>>>> doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid 
>>>>>>>>> mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is 
>>>>>>>>> impossible to remove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time 
>>>>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good 
>>>>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, 
>>>>>>>>> the skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my 
>>>>>>>>> dog are causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
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