[nagdu] Advice Requested

Nicole B. Torcolini at Home ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Sat Jan 21 05:09:27 UTC 2012 

Almost everything that I am going to say has already been said. Before I do, 
though, hats off to my college who has never complained about anything with 
Lexia.
    First, I would look up the pooper scooper laws for the state in hand. 
Then, with the laws in hand, especially the part concerning guide dog users, 
I would go the person who is bothering you and tell them that:
a. You are doing the best that you can.
b. The land on which your dog is doing its business is not the school 
property.
c. This is the law. and finally,
d. Not necessarily in this way, but to leave you alone because you're not 
going to change. Also include the points that you made about other things 
being worse. It really does sound like someone is just giving you a hard 
time for no reason.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested


>I am not going to back down. Compromise - perhaps, make reasonable 
>accommodations - definitely, but back down - never!
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> I believe the property in question belongs to the coart house. However, I 
> know it definitely does not belong to the school.
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> The school regulations they are attempting to use to get me in trouble are 
> probably legally unenforceable. Especially under the states far more 
> extensive guide dog laws.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>> Why is that not a surprise? Sounds like harassment, honestly. Sigh.
>>
>> I wonder if your trainer has any ideas for  dealing with that side of 
>> your new journey as a guide dog user? He might be able to get in touch 
>> with someone at the school who knows more about legal issues... I'm just 
>> guessing there, but it could be a possible source of assistance.
>>
>> Sorry you're having to put up with that so soon in your guide dog using 
>> life. It's a not uncommon form of harassment, I'm sorry to say. Whether 
>> the substance in question has anything to do with your actual dog or not.
>>
>> I'm hoping one of our legal eagles will pop up with some wisdom regarding 
>> possible recourse and how to safely just draw the line and refuse to back 
>> down. From your description, it sounds like there is a non problem that 
>> somebody or other is making a problem over...
>>
>> If it helps any, I've taken my dog out to do her bidness, when I was 
>> living in my old apartment, and had her sniff around her regular spot 
>> doing nothing because of the person leaning against a retaining wall 
>> nearby carrying on about how he was going to call the cops if she did 
>> anything on the public easement... When he started, I helpfully held up 
>> my white plastic bag to indicate I was on the job, no worries. But he 
>> kept going on about how my dog left her business there all the time and I 
>> never picked it up and on and on. I looked at him again, held up the 
>> white bag and waved it at him, then shrugged. There was, apparently, 
>> another dog or possibly a pair of large dogs who did go along that 
>> sidewalk regularly, while their humans just watched and walked on. But, 
>> since there was a blind guide dog user who walked the same sidewalk and 
>> stopped for bidness every now and then... Well, it was obvious who to 
>> blame *that* on! I heard about it more than once. Again, my primary 
>> response became holding up the bag already in position on my poop picking 
>> up hand. I'd gotten a little tired of trying to have rational dialog on 
>> the subject. If I acknowledged the rather earthy and worse commentary, I 
>> would just say, "I pick up after my dog," wave the bag and ignore it. 
>> Still! Who needs that in the middle of a freakin' winter's night? What is 
>> *wrong* with some people?
>>
>> Anyway, naturally with Mr. I'm gonna call the cops nattering on and 
>> threatening on while I ignored him steadfastly, Mitzi decided she was not 
>> interested in that location. I did not know whether to be relieved or 
>> not. /lo/ I was half hoping she would do it, so that he would do it, so 
>> that we could just address the issue with The Law... But since I'd just 
>> wandered out for a late-night outing, I wasn't really dressed to impress. 
>> Anyway, we went on our way, me seriously shivering and really mad, to do 
>> some sniff 'n stroll along the perpendicular side street in order to 
>> accomplish the mission. It was closer to the dumpster anyway. Still! Ten 
>> minutes of the whole I'm gonna call the cops if your dog (you all know 
>> the word), blah, blah... Who needs it?
>>
>> Then there was the time...  Oh, never mind. If I had a quarter for every 
>> time my dog has been accused of always leaving her stuff in places we've 
>> never been before... I would live in a less rainy climate! I stopped 
>> paying attention a few years ago, and don't even bother to be annoyed. I 
>> pretty much wave a bag at whomever is doing all the shouting of the "s" 
>> word and let it go at that.
>>
>> What is so special about anyone that they feel called upon to harass a 
>> guide or service dog user over the fact that their dog has bodily 
>> functions Honestly! How low can you go...
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 01/20/2012 03:18 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> I am picking up immediately. What we are talking about is just remnants,
>>> stuck to the concrete. These are hardly more than stains on the
>>> pavement. The local homeless population does far more in terms of
>>> soiling the allie than me and my dog ever do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>>
>>>> The stuff doesn't freeze that fast if you are picking up right away.
>>>> As for the puddles, I think that's ridiculous, specially if it is in
>>>> the alley. They had a somewhat dim view of your getting a dog, or were
>>>> putting demands on you weren't they?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete
>>>>> and is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware
>>>>> you could wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's
>>>>> puddles, and there is nothing I can do about that. They are all
>>>>> outside, and down an allie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take
>>>>>> that and scrub the area with it some more. I have never heard of
>>>>>> people having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and
>>>>>>> because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it.
>>>>>>> especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around
>>>>>>>> where the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had
>>>>>>>> this issue before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a
>>>>>>>> little. Does the dog move around when it is having a moving
>>>>>>>> experience?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog
>>>>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am
>>>>>>>>> doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid
>>>>>>>>> mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is
>>>>>>>>> impossible to remove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time
>>>>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good
>>>>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school,
>>>>>>>>> the skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my
>>>>>>>>> dog are causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
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