[nagdu] Advice Requested

Sat Jan 21 17:26:47 UTC 2012

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On 01/20/2012 07:09 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> I am not going to back down. Compromise - perhaps, make reasonable
> accommodations - definitely, but back down - never!
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> I believe the property in question belongs to the coart house. However,
> I know it definitely does not belong to the school.
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> The school regulations they are attempting to use to get me in trouble
> are probably legally unenforceable. Especially under the states far more
> extensive guide dog laws.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>> Why is that not a surprise? Sounds like harassment, honestly. Sigh.
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>> I wonder if your trainer has any ideas for dealing with that side of
>> your new journey as a guide dog user? He might be able to get in touch
>> with someone at the school who knows more about legal issues... I'm
>> just guessing there, but it could be a possible source of assistance.
>>
>> Sorry you're having to put up with that so soon in your guide dog
>> using life. It's a not uncommon form of harassment, I'm sorry to say.
>> Whether the substance in question has anything to do with your actual
>> dog or not.
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>> I'm hoping one of our legal eagles will pop up with some wisdom
>> regarding possible recourse and how to safely just draw the line and
>> refuse to back down. From your description, it sounds like there is a
>> non problem that somebody or other is making a problem over...
>>
>> If it helps any, I've taken my dog out to do her bidness, when I was
>> living in my old apartment, and had her sniff around her regular spot
>> doing nothing because of the person leaning against a retaining wall
>> nearby carrying on about how he was going to call the cops if she did
>> anything on the public easement... When he started, I helpfully held
>> up my white plastic bag to indicate I was on the job, no worries. But
>> he kept going on about how my dog left her business there all the time
>> and I never picked it up and on and on. I looked at him again, held up
>> the white bag and waved it at him, then shrugged. There was,
>> apparently, another dog or possibly a pair of large dogs who did go
>> along that sidewalk regularly, while their humans just watched and
>> walked on. But, since there was a blind guide dog user who walked the
>> same sidewalk and stopped for bidness every now and then... Well, it
>> was obvious who to blame *that* on! I heard about it more than once.
>> Again, my primary response became holding up the bag already in
>> position on my poop picking up hand. I'd gotten a little tired of
>> trying to have rational dialog on the subject. If I acknowledged the
>> rather earthy and worse commentary, I would just say, "I pick up after
>> my dog," wave the bag and ignore it. Still! Who needs that in the
>> middle of a freakin' winter's night? What is *wrong* with some people?
>>
>> Anyway, naturally with Mr. I'm gonna call the cops nattering on and
>> threatening on while I ignored him steadfastly, Mitzi decided she was
>> not interested in that location. I did not know whether to be relieved
>> or not. /lo/ I was half hoping she would do it, so that he would do
>> it, so that we could just address the issue with The Law... But since
>> I'd just wandered out for a late-night outing, I wasn't really dressed
>> to impress. Anyway, we went on our way, me seriously shivering and
>> really mad, to do some sniff 'n stroll along the perpendicular side
>> street in order to accomplish the mission. It was closer to the
>> dumpster anyway. Still! Ten minutes of the whole I'm gonna call the
>> cops if your dog (you all know the word), blah, blah... Who needs it?
>>
>> Then there was the time... Oh, never mind. If I had a quarter for
>> every time my dog has been accused of always leaving her stuff in
>> places we've never been before... I would live in a less rainy
>> climate! I stopped paying attention a few years ago, and don't even
>> bother to be annoyed. I pretty much wave a bag at whomever is doing
>> all the shouting of the "s" word and let it go at that.
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>> What is so special about anyone that they feel called upon to harass a
>> guide or service dog user over the fact that their dog has bodily
>> functions Honestly! How low can you go...
>>
>> Tami
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>> On 01/20/2012 03:18 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> I am picking up immediately. What we are talking about is just remnants,
>>> stuck to the concrete. These are hardly more than stains on the
>>> pavement. The local homeless population does far more in terms of
>>> soiling the allie than me and my dog ever do.
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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>>>> The stuff doesn't freeze that fast if you are picking up right away.
>>>> As for the puddles, I think that's ridiculous, specially if it is in
>>>> the alley. They had a somewhat dim view of your getting a dog, or were
>>>> putting demands on you weren't they?
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>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete
>>>>> and is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware
>>>>> you could wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's
>>>>> puddles, and there is nothing I can do about that. They are all
>>>>> outside, and down an allie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take
>>>>>> that and scrub the area with it some more. I have never heard of
>>>>>> people having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and
>>>>>>> because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it.
>>>>>>> especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around
>>>>>>>> where the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had
>>>>>>>> this issue before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a
>>>>>>>> little. Does the dog move around when it is having a moving
>>>>>>>> experience?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog
>>>>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am
>>>>>>>>> doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid
>>>>>>>>> mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is
>>>>>>>>> impossible to remove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time
>>>>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good
>>>>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school,
>>>>>>>>> the skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my
>>>>>>>>> dog are causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
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