[nagdu] Advice Requested

Hannah Chadwick sparklylicious at suddenlink.net
Sat Jan 21 16:22:19 UTC 2012 

Well if I were you Mark, I'd just continue with what you're already doing. A
small mark shouldn't matter that much and besides, the rain would wash it
away, nothing to worry about especially since it's winter and there's enough
rain and snow to do the job. Maybe you should just let them complain because
they probably don't have anything else to talk about.
Like many others have said, it could well be other dogs that are leaving the
marks, unless there's evidence that you were the one...
Hannah, and Princess

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J. Cadigan
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:11 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested

I am feeding the dog as recommended by the school. Also, we are
discontinuing treating the dog because training is almost over.



The complaints are coming from the office of disability services as an 
official entity. The policy I am supposedly violating is there own policy 
for service animals on campus. Witch states that handlers must clean up 
after there dogs.



I am most certainly doing so, however, there are small remnants occasionally

left behind mostly in the form of a small stain or skid mark on the 
concrete.



This could easily be rectified by the rain. It is a non issue, but they are 
making a mountain out of a mole hill.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested


> Hmm, Mark
>
> I agree with the folks who are advising you to either change food or at 
> least cut down on the treats.  New dogs get stressed, nothing wrong with 
> that, but maybe gradually weaning the dog off of treats, or at least to a 
> different type of treat would solve the loose stool issue.  I'm not sure 
> what you're using for treats, but something with more fiber like green 
> beans or even carrots would be good.  If you're treating him while you're 
> working, you'd need to find something that's easy to carry and access when

> needed.
>
> When Katy goes on concrete I can pick up after her without leaving a huge 
> smudge behind because her stool is so firm.  Of course, there are times 
> when it's not, and in those cases I'm sure I leave something behind, but 
> unless someone is crawling around on the concrete it's not a huge deal, 
> especially if it's an occasional thing.
>
> Would your school have the same response with gum or someone emptying a 
> soda or coffee on to the concrete?  I'm betting not. Plus  as others have 
> pointed out, a car leaks all kinds of nonbiodegradable substances that 
> have a worse impact on the environment and no one seems to care.  And come

> to think of it, I never see drivers picking up after their cars.  <grin>
>
> Besides that, two things come to mind here.
>
> First, who is giving you grief about your dog's deposits?  Are they citing

> some kind of school regulation having to do with health or appearance?  If

> so, I'd ask to see those regs.  Is this a student worker or someone with a

> bit more pull?  Who is this person's supervisor?  perhaps a discussion 
> higher up the bureaucratic food chain would clarify things.
>
> Secondly, are the complainers positive this is your dog's droppings? 
> Because unless they watched you pick up and miss a piece and leave a 
> smear, how do they know for sure the remnants are from your dog?  You said

> this was an alley, right?  Who's to say what stray dogs or other 
> quadrupeds are running around leaving little presents?
>
> I had a situation similar to this with my first dog.  I lived in a very 
> pet friendly apartment complex.  Besides myself, there were several other 
> dog users.  We dog users were always getting notes from the management 
> about how we weren't picking up after our dogs.  I was accused of leaving 
> things behind in places my dog never went.  Then a friend sitting on my 
> second floor balcony just so happened to see someone, not a blind person, 
> BTW, let their little puntable object stop, drop and plop and then go on 
> it's merry way with no attempt to pick up at all.  When this was brought 
> to the management everyone was shocked because they supposedly had a very 
> strict pick up policy.  Naturally, the blind person is the easy target 
> because it's not like we would know for certain that everyone else wasn't 
> picking up after their dog.
>
> This isn't the first incident of a college having a very uh, anal attitude

> when it comes to dogs and their droppings.
>
> I hope you can get this resolved with a minimum of fuss.
>
>
> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
>
>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the concrete and is

>> stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the surface ware you could 
>> wipe it up. The school is also having issues with my dog's puddles, and 
>> there is nothing I can do about that. They are all outside, and down an 
>> allie.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>>
>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up take that 
>>> and scrub the area with it some more. I have  never heard of people 
>>> having this issue so much, though maybe they just don't talk about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and because 
>>>> the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. especially 
>>>> when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where 
>>>>> the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue 
>>>>> before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does the 
>>>>> dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog 
>>>>>> handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing 
>>>>>> this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of 
>>>>>> solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is impossible to remove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time 
>>>>>> about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good 
>>>>>> enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, the 
>>>>>> skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are 
>>>>>> causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
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