[nagdu] Advice Requested

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 21 21:51:29 UTC 2012 

Thank you. I will talk to the appropriate people on Monday. All your advice 
and suggestions are quite valuable.



Thanks,

Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested


> Mark,
>    Generally, the student disability services is under the dean of Student 
> Affairs. One tactic may be to ask the ODS director who his or her direct 
> supervisor would be. Just asking that questions may be enough to stop the 
> harrassment. The other tactic may be to get in touch with the school's ADA 
> Coordinator to inquire what that person feels would be a reasonable 
> "modification of policies, practices, or procedures". Using that 
> terminology demonstrates that you either have a little knowledge of your 
> ADA rights or, at least, have some guidance from someone who does. Also, 
> remind the ADA Coordinator that harassment in is prohibited discrmination 
> under the Act.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
>
>> Yes, the director of the ODS office made a dog dropping inspection, and 
>> counted "no less than 8 skid marks on the pavement.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know who his boss is.
>>
>>
>>
>> The security guards love my dog. I don't think it is them.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Hooper" <hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>>
>>> You shouldn't have to do that.
>>>
>>> Who, specifically, is giving you the hard time? Do you have people from 
>>> ODS following you around everywhere? Who is telling them that it is your 
>>> dog--could it be the aforementioned security guards in your dorm filing 
>>> complaints? If so, they may make it sound a lot worse than it really 
>>> is--the ODS people may be being told that there are massive chunks of 
>>> doggy dung lying around instead of the occasional mustard blot. I just 
>>> don't see how ODS would even know about your dog's relieving behavior. 
>>> ODS at my school isn't interested in the slightest that I even have a 
>>> dog, let alone when and where it poops. This situation is astonishing to 
>>> me because of that. When I stroll into ODS, I get nothing but the 
>>> occasional compliment about my "pretty shepherd" and then it's on to 
>>> business. Has somebody from ODS been out there to check the specific 
>>> spot? You should demand that they clean it up since their expertise 
>>> about dog care knows no bounds. You should also inform them that you are 
>>> a grown human being who managed to pass through a college admission 
>>> screening process and that their attitude is disgusting, condescending, 
>>> and appropriate toward a nine-year-old, not a competent individual such 
>>> as yourself who strives to one day soon have a degree in hand. Ask them 
>>> if they also want to monitor your pooping behavior and ensure that you 
>>> are flushing after each #2 you make. Ask them also if they plan on 
>>> eating a four course meal from the pavement in question, because if so, 
>>> then there is a lot more that needs done to clean it up than Mr. Clean. 
>>> Tell them that if they are going to treat you like a child, then you 
>>> want them to also go after the drunks that puke on the pavement; those 
>>> who urinate on the pavement; those who throw trash or food on the 
>>> pavement; those who spit their gum on the pavement. Ask them if they 
>>> care where your dog goes when you are at home because your home is just 
>>> as off-campus as the place you take your dog when you are at school. 
>>> Finally, demand of this person to see their supervisor, to whom you will 
>>> say the same things until somebody decides to get off their power trip 
>>> and treat you like you're the college student that you are, not their 
>>> wayward naughty child.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant, but people and situations like that disgust, sicken, 
>>> and sadden me. Of course, you probably shouldn't spout all that to 
>>> anyone. At least make it sound more diplomatic first. However, I assure 
>>> you that if it were me, that would be the overall impression I would try 
>>> to leave with them. Whether they have a fancy policy about dog dung or 
>>> not, it can't apply off-campus--no matter how close to campus it is--off 
>>> campus is off campus. Period. It would be the equivalent of them saying 
>>> "Clean up more carefully after your dog when you're at your mother's 
>>> house. Otherwise, there will be consequences for you." Anyway, I hope 
>>> you get that resolved. Don't hesitate to inform them of their deplorable 
>>> attitude and patronizing policies.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Robert Hooper
>>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>>> The Ohio State University
>>> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
>>> 653 Cuyahoga Court
>>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>>> (740) 856-8195
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:00 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>> I may just do that. But, I would rather not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>>
>>>> Take the dog behind the chain, then and if there is a problem you can 
>>>> say
>>>> that the ODS office has given you no choice because of their
>>>> obstructionist
>>>> behavior.
>>>>
>>>> They really don't sound nice, my god
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, take your dog where it's convenient for you and 
>>>> fornicate
>>>> them if they don't like it.
>>>> Easy for me to say right--smile--I'm not the one who has to live with
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> But I just find it unconscionable, after all training with your first 
>>>> dog
>>>> is
>>>> so stressful and now to have this idiocy you have to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:48 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to everyone for your response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My dog does not mind pavement relieving. The patch of pavement I am 
>>>> using
>>>> is
>>>> public property and not owned by the school. I believe all the school 
>>>> is
>>>> doing is blowing hot air.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no grass available for several blocks, and the area is not 
>>>> safe
>>>> after about 10:00pm. The location I am currently using is well lit, and
>>>> visible to the officers at the security desk of my dorm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What kinds of modifications can the school require I make to my dog's
>>>> relieving practices? He is going on the shoulder of the rode, in a sort 
>>>> of
>>>> inlet that leads down an alley. There is a chain across the alley that 
>>>> if
>>>> I
>>>> passed it I would be on private property. I don't go passed the chain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am removing 95% or higher of every deposit. They are still griping at 
>>>> me
>>>> for when due to no fault of my own, some remnants get stuck to the
>>>> pavement
>>>> witch can't be removed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is also a trash can within 20ft of this patch of pavement I 
>>>> deposit
>>>> the bagged waist in this trash receptacle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is the policy and procedure recommended by Fidelco. The school is
>>>> threatening to write me up for a violation of the ODS amendment to the
>>>> student handbook. This section does not specify a punishment, so the
>>>> punishment would be at the discretion of the school.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not the first student to have a guide dog on campus, however, I am
>>>> the
>>>> only one the ODS office has decided to harass. There is another student 
>>>> in
>>>> my dorm with a guide dog. However her dog is much smaller than my dog,
>>>> with
>>>> a corresponding reduction in size of its deposit. This student takes 
>>>> her
>>>> dog
>>>>
>>>> behind the aforementioned chain onto private property. I am not
>>>> comfortable
>>>> in doing this without the consent of the property owner. I am unable to
>>>> determine the property owner; however, I believe it is owned by either 
>>>> the
>>>> state or federal government. The property belongs to either a 
>>>> courthouse
>>>> or
>>>> office building or perhaps both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your help,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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