[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 82, Issue 34

[holly mcknight]

Hi everyone, I haven't been on the list much lately, but I was very interested in seeing when I saw about a pig as a distraction. I have taken my dog to a little place that's kind of like a working farm, where they have sheepdogs sheep pigs cows etc. and she has done great. It's really need to watch the animals with these guys.

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>   1. Pig was Re:  Backpacking (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>   2. Re: Pig was Re:  Backpacking (Abigail Lanier)
>   3. Re: Pig was Re:  Backpacking (Julie J.)
>   4. Re: stamps (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>   5. Re: stamps (Julie J.)
>   6. Re: youtube video (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>   7. Re: youtube video (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>   8. Re: Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog everywhere
>      (Larry D. Keeler)
>   9. Re: Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog everywhere
>      (Larry D. Keeler)
>  10. Re: Advice Requested (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
>  11. Re: List of Dog Relief Areas Inside Secured Areas of Airports
>      (Shannon L. Dillon)
>  12. Re: Advice Requested (Shannon L. Dillon)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:59:20 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Pig was Re:  Backpacking
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> So, to keep this on topic, how did your dog respond to this unexpected 
> company?
>    During training at GDB, we did have several animal distractions, 
> including the kennel cat and a miniature horse, but I don't think that the 
> trainers ever thought of bringing in a pig.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> 
> 
>> I have no idea! It did make my day, however, in addition to my normal 
>> morning fix of caffeine.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>> 
>>> Giggle. What was a pig doing there???
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abigail Lanier" 
>>> <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Speaking of llamas, I was walking into my local coffee shop yesterday 
>>>> when
>>>> Alexa and I encountered a pig. Yes, you know the kind, the small, some
>>>> times pink, curly-q tail, oinking piggie. I do live in the mountains of
>>>> North Carolina where most anything goes, but this experience really had 
>>>> me
>>>> giggling. It was kind of sad though, because there I was, the only human
>>>> around to my knowledge, standing in the rain with my perplexed canine 
>>>> and
>>>> a pig.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Get a couple of llamas tpo carry all the stuff and the dog could double
>>>>> as a herder for the llamas!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
>>>>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, this is a very educational discussion. /smile/ I'm reading it 
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> and wondering how many things I would forget to think of if I 
>>>>>> suddengly
>>>>>> got a chance to head off on a nice backpacking trip one a natural
>>>>>> trail...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which I long to do, so I'm exercising my guide dog hiking brain cells 
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> trying to figure out how I would solve all of those things... /smile/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> People have given good answers to some of the things I haven't gotten
>>>>>> around to thinking about, like water purification and all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The weight bearing part, I'm not sure of, since the dog needs food,
>>>>>> extra food for the extra work. So would I!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I come up with a brilliant solution to that in light of the fact 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I am but a delicate little woman, I'll be sure to clue y'all in...
>>>>>> /grin/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 01/24/2012 05:08 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What specific things are you concerned about in regard to a week long
>>>>>>> hike vs. a day trip?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it sleeping arrangements and making sure your guide is warm and
>>>>>>> comfortable?
>>>>>>> Is it the extra weight she will need to carry and getting used to
>>>>>>> packs?
>>>>>>> Maybe working her on off road terrain?
>>>>>>> Are you concerned about interference from wildlife or illness from
>>>>>>> unpurified water?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think if you could be more specific about what your concerns are,
>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>> be able to offer more help.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/23/2012 9:56 PM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your response, but I am really looking for advice in
>>>>>>>> regards to hiking with a guide dog. I've done lots of camping and
>>>>>>>> hiking before I got my guide and even some short day trips with her,
>>>>>>>> but as I said in a previous message, I"m looking into a week long 
>>>>>>>> hike
>>>>>>>> of the Appalachian Trail this March and I want to take Alexa with 
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>> I'm doing lots of research and considering the pros and cons of 
>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>> her. Her health and well being is just as important as mine.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I go backpacking all the time. For water purification I just use 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> purification tablets you get at any camping or army surplus store.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can set up your tent completely independently; it just depends 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> practice, and having a small tent. Chances are, if you are
>>>>>>>>> backpacking you will have a small tent.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For food, I like the freeze dried food. It's a lot easier to carry
>>>>>>>>> than canned food.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
>>>>>>>>> Young"<jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tami. We probably won't do any hiking in the first year, 
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> maybe some car camping.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Abigail, the biggest issue on a long trip is water. It doesn't 
>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>> as though you are, but if you or anyone is backpacking in a dry
>>>>>>>>>> desert area, I would not recommend bringing a dog. The reason 
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> that you have to pack all of your own water. This can become very
>>>>>>>>>> heavy, and packing the additional water for the dog would be hard 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> deal with. Ideally you will only need to bring two or three 
>>>>>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>>>>>> along with a water purification system. You can get water from
>>>>>>>>>> streams, but it needs to be purified so you or your dog do not
>>>>>>>>>> contract geardia. I'm sure I misspelled it, but it's also known as
>>>>>>>>>> backpackers disease. It's easy to cure when near a hospital or 
>>>>>>>>>> vet,
>>>>>>>>>> but not in the wild, especially because you won't have a 
>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>> bathroom.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Check with the organizer of the event to see if he or she is
>>>>>>>>>> bringing a purifier, that way you won't need to by your own. 
>>>>>>>>>> Another
>>>>>>>>>> thing is to make sure you are familiar with your own equipment. IE
>>>>>>>>>> setting up your tent on your own ETC. You will need a hand with 
>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>> tents, but you will need to make sure that you can do the majority
>>>>>>>>>> of the work. Everyone else on the trip will have their own
>>>>>>>>>> equipment, and having to help someone else a lot can be annoying 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is all stuff I learned on the trips we took. I was twelve and
>>>>>>>>>> theirteen on most of ours, and my dad came on one and basically 
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>> me if I wanted to keep going I needed to be more independent.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Good Luck, and don't hesitate with any other questions. Also, you
>>>>>>>>>> can find a lot of first time resources online.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>> sugar. E-mail me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://actoverview.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> These are all excellent suggestions of things to consider. And
>>>>>>>>>>> congratulations on your soon-to-be first child. You will 
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> be too busy to go camping! /grin/ Unless you decide next year 
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> brave enough to put the kid in a backpack and go for it. I know
>>>>>>>>>>> people who do and don't know whether to admire their courage or
>>>>>>>>>>> wonder about their sanity... Just kidding.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Another piece of good advice I got from an avid guide dog using
>>>>>>>>>>> hiker and camper was to always wear sunglasses to protect your 
>>>>>>>>>>> eyes
>>>>>>>>>>> from low hanging branches, just in case. And also to wear a
>>>>>>>>>>> baseball cap, for the same reason. This is certainly something I 
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> when using the cane on a trail, and good thing! With the tame
>>>>>>>>>>> trails we usually do, I'm not as motivated to remember when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> using Mitzi, but I really try to make it a practice. Just in 
>>>>>>>>>>> case!
>>>>>>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've only gotten out on short day trips with Mitzi so far, but 
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> thing I did, knowing I wanted to add more of that in the future,
>>>>>>>>>>> was to use the off leash obedience I'd taught her to give her
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom to explore the first time or two, while I used my cane to
>>>>>>>>>>> navigate and try to figure out how I planned to use her as a 
>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog. So then, when I did start doing trails with her in harness, 
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> were able to work out the kinks together pretty well. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> gone on any of the really good backpacking and camping trips I
>>>>>>>>>>> would like to. Yet. But I do like using more than one tool,
>>>>>>>>>>> depending on which works best in which environment. Well, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitzi
>>>>>>>>>>> really does do the jingle guide and squeak guide thing, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> addition
>>>>>>>>>>> to leash guiding, so that gives us a lot of flexibility.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That wouldn't work for everybody and every dog, though, so on a
>>>>>>>>>>> safety first basis: Don't do it unless you're sure your dog will 
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> safe. Honestly, I can't see myself trying it at all with a
>>>>>>>>>>> program-trained dog, simply because the pups are protected and
>>>>>>>>>>> streamlined for guide work, not for running wild and free in the
>>>>>>>>>>> wilderness... Mitzi ran free with a big pack o' poodles and other
>>>>>>>>>>> dogs until she was 7 months, so the other dogs taught her the
>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals of doggy safety. That made socializing her and all 
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the city quite the adventure, but it has given me a lot of 
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> to train from the beginning towards the outdoor life. She does
>>>>>>>>>>> really well at city slicker stuff now, of course, but that 
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean we can't throw off our fancy duds and hit the trail! /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> One way to work with a dog without risking letting it run off 
>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>> where it doesn't know the dangers or might get too excited and 
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> off and forget to come back would perhaps be to do some long 
>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>> work with dog while you use your cane. Our dogs are about as not
>>>>>>>>>>> stupid as dogs can be, after all, and they really do seem to 
>>>>>>>>>>> grasp
>>>>>>>>>>> that their purpose in our lives is our safety and theirs. So 
>>>>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>>>>> the dog a chance to observe some of the special obstacles and 
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> challenges of hiking a trail could be to give the dog an
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to watch you take them on and figure it out with your
>>>>>>>>>>> cane. If that makes sense. Also, I have found it to be a good way
>>>>>>>>>>> to plan *how* I want to hike with my guide when the time comes 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> she will be in harness and I will be using a rigid cane or 
>>>>>>>>>>> trekking
>>>>>>>>>>> pole in the other hand for gauging distances up and down.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If that makes sense. /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/22/2012 12:09 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I have done extensive backpacking as a boy scout, but I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a chance to do any with my guideDog. One thing I'd recommend
>>>>>>>>>>>> is to bring a cane along. A good sturdy cane not a telescoping
>>>>>>>>>>>> one. The cane would serve two purposes. One as a walking stick.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most backpackers use a walking stick. A walking stick is
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially useful on steep rough terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, when hiking you may encounter many obstacles that your
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog might not normally encounter. You can use the cane to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> explore
>>>>>>>>>>>> the obstruction before moving on. Also, make sure your dog is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>> fortified against flees and especially ticks. I don't remember 
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> you said in the first email, but you might want to find out how
>>>>>>>>>>>> rough the hiking will be and how many miles per day you will 
>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to travel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you and your dog only travel a mile or two a day on city
>>>>>>>>>>>> sidewalks and you are expected to travel six or seven miles a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the trip, then this could pose a challenge of potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>> overworking your dog as well as yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could probably come up with some other tips, but I don't want 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ramble to much. If you have any general backpacking questions 
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> free to let me know. Also, I'm sure we have some other 
>>>>>>>>>>>> backpackers
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I should add that I can't wait to take Hansel on a trip, but we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are having our first child in August, so their won't be much, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> any camping this summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff and Hansel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Website: http://jhyrumyoung.drinkactweb.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book's title is "Blind Courage" and I am going to try and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I already live in the mountains of North
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina and Alexa and I are fairly used to hills and such. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have done some hiking, but I wouldn't say that we are well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned or experienced hikers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know of our "progress" :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been backpacking, but not with my guide. The trip I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on was 5 days in Colorado in the Rockies. I'd estimate the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I carried was 50 pounds or so. It was just about all I could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry the thing. *smile* Of course that was just my stuff. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with Nicole to have your guide carry her own food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to get a pack for yourself and for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide now and start building up your strength to carry it. Add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a little more weight each day, practicing going up and down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs to simulate mountain hiking. Your guide won't be used 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying weight and will also need to build up strength to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do so comfortably. There are a lot of web sites that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about dog backpacking, you could check out some of them 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get an idea of how much the maximum weight is that your guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could potentially carry. I'd subtract a bit from that because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guiding is work too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a book about a guy who hiked the entire Appalachian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trail with his guide dog. NLS has it. I want to say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, "Blind Courage" but I could be misremembering. I've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a load of dog books and they sometimes get cross-wired in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head! *smile*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:22:01 -0500
> From: Abigail Lanier <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pig was Re:  Backpacking
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> When we were first approaching the place of business, I thought I heard a duck, but as we got closer I realized it was, in fact, a pig.
> 
> Alexa and I did have some animal distractions while we were in class at GEB as well, but they were animals like cats, dogs, and horses. She and I have been hiking on parts of the Blue Ridge Park Way and come across random cows grazing on hill sides before. Then, she acted as though the large mammals were part of the scenery.
> 
> As for the pig yesterday morning, I think she was scared and confused. I would have liked to spend more time with Mr., or perhaps Miss, Piggie yesterday, but it was raining, and I was really unsure of what to do in that kind of situation. Eventually, I convinced her to "leave it" and we proceeded in doors.
> 
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
> 
>> So, to keep this on topic, how did your dog respond to this unexpected company?
>>  During training at GDB, we did have several animal distractions, including the kennel cat and a miniature horse, but I don't think that the trainers ever thought of bringing in a pig.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>> 
>> 
>>> I have no idea! It did make my day, however, in addition to my normal morning fix of caffeine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Giggle. What was a pig doing there???
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Speaking of llamas, I was walking into my local coffee shop yesterday when
>>>>> Alexa and I encountered a pig. Yes, you know the kind, the small, some
>>>>> times pink, curly-q tail, oinking piggie. I do live in the mountains of
>>>>> North Carolina where most anything goes, but this experience really had me
>>>>> giggling. It was kind of sad though, because there I was, the only human
>>>>> around to my knowledge, standing in the rain with my perplexed canine and
>>>>> a pig.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get a couple of llamas tpo carry all the stuff and the dog could double
>>>>>> as a herder for the llamas!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
>>>>>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, this is a very educational discussion. /smile/ I'm reading it all
>>>>>>> and wondering how many things I would forget to think of if I suddengly
>>>>>>> got a chance to head off on a nice backpacking trip one a natural
>>>>>>> trail...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Which I long to do, so I'm exercising my guide dog hiking brain cells by
>>>>>>> trying to figure out how I would solve all of those things... /smile/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> People have given good answers to some of the things I haven't gotten
>>>>>>> around to thinking about, like water purification and all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The weight bearing part, I'm not sure of, since the dog needs food,
>>>>>>> extra food for the extra work. So would I!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I come up with a brilliant solution to that in light of the fact that
>>>>>>> I am but a delicate little woman, I'll be sure to clue y'all in...
>>>>>>> /grin/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 01/24/2012 05:08 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What specific things are you concerned about in regard to a week long
>>>>>>>> hike vs. a day trip?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is it sleeping arrangements and making sure your guide is warm and
>>>>>>>> comfortable?
>>>>>>>> Is it the extra weight she will need to carry and getting used to
>>>>>>>> packs?
>>>>>>>> Maybe working her on off road terrain?
>>>>>>>> Are you concerned about interference from wildlife or illness from
>>>>>>>> unpurified water?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think if you could be more specific about what your concerns are,
>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>> be able to offer more help.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 1/23/2012 9:56 PM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your response, but I am really looking for advice in
>>>>>>>>> regards to hiking with a guide dog. I've done lots of camping and
>>>>>>>>> hiking before I got my guide and even some short day trips with her,
>>>>>>>>> but as I said in a previous message, I"m looking into a week long hike
>>>>>>>>> of the Appalachian Trail this March and I want to take Alexa with me.
>>>>>>>>> I'm doing lots of research and considering the pros and cons of taking
>>>>>>>>> her. Her health and well being is just as important as mine.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I go backpacking all the time. For water purification I just use the
>>>>>>>>>> purification tablets you get at any camping or army surplus store.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can set up your tent completely independently; it just depends on
>>>>>>>>>> practice, and having a small tent. Chances are, if you are
>>>>>>>>>> backpacking you will have a small tent.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For food, I like the freeze dried food. It's a lot easier to carry
>>>>>>>>>> than canned food.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
>>>>>>>>>> Young"<jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tami. We probably won't do any hiking in the first year, but
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe some car camping.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail, the biggest issue on a long trip is water. It doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>>>> as though you are, but if you or anyone is backpacking in a dry
>>>>>>>>>>> desert area, I would not recommend bringing a dog. The reason being
>>>>>>>>>>> that you have to pack all of your own water. This can become very
>>>>>>>>>>> heavy, and packing the additional water for the dog would be hard to
>>>>>>>>>>> deal with. Ideally you will only need to bring two or three leaders
>>>>>>>>>>> along with a water purification system. You can get water from
>>>>>>>>>>> streams, but it needs to be purified so you or your dog do not
>>>>>>>>>>> contract geardia. I'm sure I misspelled it, but it's also known as
>>>>>>>>>>> backpackers disease. It's easy to cure when near a hospital or vet,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not in the wild, especially because you won't have a functional
>>>>>>>>>>> bathroom.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Check with the organizer of the event to see if he or she is
>>>>>>>>>>> bringing a purifier, that way you won't need to by your own. Another
>>>>>>>>>>> thing is to make sure you are familiar with your own equipment. IE
>>>>>>>>>>> setting up your tent on your own ETC. You will need a hand with most
>>>>>>>>>>> tents, but you will need to make sure that you can do the majority
>>>>>>>>>>> of the work. Everyone else on the trip will have their own
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment, and having to help someone else a lot can be annoying to
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is all stuff I learned on the trips we took. I was twelve and
>>>>>>>>>>> theirteen on most of ours, and my dad came on one and basically told
>>>>>>>>>>> me if I wanted to keep going I needed to be more independent.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Good Luck, and don't hesitate with any other questions. Also, you
>>>>>>>>>>> can find a lot of first time resources online.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>>> sugar. E-mail me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://actoverview.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> These are all excellent suggestions of things to consider. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> congratulations on your soon-to-be first child. You will certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>> be too busy to go camping! /grin/ Unless you decide next year your
>>>>>>>>>>>> brave enough to put the kid in a backpack and go for it. I know
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who do and don't know whether to admire their courage or
>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder about their sanity... Just kidding.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another piece of good advice I got from an avid guide dog using
>>>>>>>>>>>> hiker and camper was to always wear sunglasses to protect your eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>> from low hanging branches, just in case. And also to wear a
>>>>>>>>>>>> baseball cap, for the same reason. This is certainly something I do
>>>>>>>>>>>> when using the cane on a trail, and good thing! With the tame
>>>>>>>>>>>> trails we usually do, I'm not as motivated to remember when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> using Mitzi, but I really try to make it a practice. Just in case!
>>>>>>>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've only gotten out on short day trips with Mitzi so far, but one
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing I did, knowing I wanted to add more of that in the future,
>>>>>>>>>>>> was to use the off leash obedience I'd taught her to give her
>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom to explore the first time or two, while I used my cane to
>>>>>>>>>>>> navigate and try to figure out how I planned to use her as a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog. So then, when I did start doing trails with her in harness, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to work out the kinks together pretty well. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>> gone on any of the really good backpacking and camping trips I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to. Yet. But I do like using more than one tool,
>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on which works best in which environment. Well, and Mitzi
>>>>>>>>>>>> really does do the jingle guide and squeak guide thing, in addition
>>>>>>>>>>>> to leash guiding, so that gives us a lot of flexibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That wouldn't work for everybody and every dog, though, so on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> safety first basis: Don't do it unless you're sure your dog will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe. Honestly, I can't see myself trying it at all with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> program-trained dog, simply because the pups are protected and
>>>>>>>>>>>> streamlined for guide work, not for running wild and free in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> wilderness... Mitzi ran free with a big pack o' poodles and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs until she was 7 months, so the other dogs taught her the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals of doggy safety. That made socializing her and all in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the city quite the adventure, but it has given me a lot of freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>> to train from the beginning towards the outdoor life. She does
>>>>>>>>>>>> really well at city slicker stuff now, of course, but that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean we can't throw off our fancy duds and hit the trail! /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> One way to work with a dog without risking letting it run off leash
>>>>>>>>>>>> where it doesn't know the dangers or might get too excited and run
>>>>>>>>>>>> off and forget to come back would perhaps be to do some long leash
>>>>>>>>>>>> work with dog while you use your cane. Our dogs are about as not
>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid as dogs can be, after all, and they really do seem to grasp
>>>>>>>>>>>> that their purpose in our lives is our safety and theirs. So giving
>>>>>>>>>>>> the dog a chance to observe some of the special obstacles and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges of hiking a trail could be to give the dog an
>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to watch you take them on and figure it out with your
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. If that makes sense. Also, I have found it to be a good way
>>>>>>>>>>>> to plan *how* I want to hike with my guide when the time comes that
>>>>>>>>>>>> she will be in harness and I will be using a rigid cane or trekking
>>>>>>>>>>>> pole in the other hand for gauging distances up and down.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If that makes sense. /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/22/2012 12:09 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I have done extensive backpacking as a boy scout, but I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a chance to do any with my guideDog. One thing I'd recommend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to bring a cane along. A good sturdy cane not a telescoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. The cane would serve two purposes. One as a walking stick.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most backpackers use a walking stick. A walking stick is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially useful on steep rough terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, when hiking you may encounter many obstacles that your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog might not normally encounter. You can use the cane to explore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the obstruction before moving on. Also, make sure your dog is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fortified against flees and especially ticks. I don't remember if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you said in the first email, but you might want to find out how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rough the hiking will be and how many miles per day you will need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to travel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you and your dog only travel a mile or two a day on city
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sidewalks and you are expected to travel six or seven miles a day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the trip, then this could pose a challenge of potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overworking your dog as well as yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could probably come up with some other tips, but I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramble to much. If you have any general backpacking questions feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to let me know. Also, I'm sure we have some other backpackers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should add that I can't wait to take Hansel on a trip, but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are having our first child in August, so their won't be much, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any camping this summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff and Hansel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website: http://jhyrumyoung.drinkactweb.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book's title is "Blind Courage" and I am going to try and get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I already live in the mountains of North
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina and Alexa and I are fairly used to hills and such. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have done some hiking, but I wouldn't say that we are well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned or experienced hikers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know of our "progress" :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been backpacking, but not with my guide. The trip I went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on was 5 days in Colorado in the Rockies. I'd estimate the pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I carried was 50 pounds or so. It was just about all I could do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry the thing. *smile* Of course that was just my stuff. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with Nicole to have your guide carry her own food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to get a pack for yourself and for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide now and start building up your strength to carry it. Add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a little more weight each day, practicing going up and down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs to simulate mountain hiking. Your guide won't be used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying weight and will also need to build up strength to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do so comfortably. There are a lot of web sites that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about dog backpacking, you could check out some of them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get an idea of how much the maximum weight is that your guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could potentially carry. I'd subtract a bit from that because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guiding is work too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a book about a guy who hiked the entire Appalachian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trail with his guide dog. NLS has it. I want to say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, "Blind Courage" but I could be misremembering. I've read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a load of dog books and they sometimes get cross-wired in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head! *smile*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:53:37 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pig was Re:  Backpacking
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> Abigail,
> 
> Glad you got the info you needed about backpacking.  I haven't been in a 
> long, long time.  It was lots of fun while it lasted though.
> 
> Regarding the pig...I live in rural Nebraska.  We have lots of animals 
> about both behind fences and the wild running free sort.  Monty has been 
> around horses, goats, cows, sheep, all sorts of birds, cats, squirrels, 
> bunnies and yes, even pigs.  He shows some interest, but really not much 
> more than he does for something else he might see that is new or 
> interesting.  However a couple of years ago I took him to the state 
> fair.  He was fine around horse drawn carriages, marching bands, food 
> all over the ground, and all manner of crazy people.  The only time he 
> had a freak out was over the llamas.  Those pesky llamas! I don't forsee 
> llama herding in his future. LOL
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:55:34 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] stamps
> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC7832F61253 at TSEAMB02>
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> 
> So how do people get these stamps?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:57 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] stamps
> 
> Steve,
> 
> It's for stuff that weighs more than 1 oz but less than 2 oz.  Or at
> least that is my understanding.  I need to go to the post office in the
> morning for another unrelated errand, I can ask for sure what the .65
> stamps are for.
> 
> Julie
> On 1/24/2012 5:56 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>> So, why .65?  Did the cost of a stamp suddenly increase..again?  Just
>> curious as to the cost of this particular stamp.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:14 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] stamps
>> 
>> There is a 65 cent stamp with a guide dog pictured on it.  How cool is that?
>> Here's the link with more info.
>> 
>> http://postalnews.com/postalnewsblog/?p=648
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:08:44 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] stamps
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> Buy them at your local post office.  They are just regular stamps, not 
> any sort of collector item or anything.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> On 1/25/2012 8:55 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> So how do people get these stamps?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:57 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] stamps
>> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> It's for stuff that weighs more than 1 oz but less than 2 oz.  Or at
>> least that is my understanding.  I need to go to the post office in the
>> morning for another unrelated errand, I can ask for sure what the .65
>> stamps are for.
>> 
>> Julie
>> On 1/24/2012 5:56 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>> So, why .65?  Did the cost of a stamp suddenly increase..again?  Just
>>> curious as to the cost of this particular stamp.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] stamps
>>> 
>>> There is a 65 cent stamp with a guide dog pictured on it.  How cool is that?
>>> Here's the link with more info.
>>> 
>>> http://postalnews.com/postalnewsblog/?p=648
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:14:19 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] youtube video
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> 
> Rob.
> Email me off-list and I'll hook you up with an mp3 if you'd like.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:16 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] youtube video
> 
> where can I get an MP3 copy of that Julie (things people say to blind
> people)?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:   "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To:     "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide
>            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date:   01/24/2012 05:06 PM
> Subject:        Re: [nagdu] youtube video
> Sent by:        nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
> 
> Nicole,
> 
> The person who is in the video is an actual service dog user, from what
> I understand.  The things in the video are actual things that have been
> said to her.
> 
> Apparently the title is a new trendy thing.  There are a ton of sh@*
> people say videos.  There's another one I watched the other day about
> things people say to blind people.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
>  On 1/24/2012 3:46 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>> Hahaha. Good one. Was this actually things that people said, or was
>> this just acting? Also, the name is a little harsh, especially
>> compared to the actual content.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:27 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] youtube video
>> 
>> 
>>> The title of the video is, "Shit people say to service dog handlers".
> 
>>> It's funny in a sort of that's so true way.  The video is completely
>>> clean and appropriate for all viewers,
>>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSn9WO1FCb0
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:15:56 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] youtube video
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> Yes, I'd get them in waves too when I was using a dog.
> I once had somebody hit every stereotype about blindness in about five minutes. Very amusing
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] youtube video
> 
> Brenda,
> 
> People really do say this sort of stuff, but it isn't usually all day
> everyday.  For me it seems to go in waves.  I'll have a day where it
> seems that every other person I meet has something half baked to say.
> Then I'll go for a few weeks with absolutely no insanity.
> 
> Usually it doesn't bother me too much.  My strategy is to smile, nod and
> keep on keeping on.  I simply don't engage in conversations with people
> who are bound to irritate me.  Every now and then there'll be someone
> who I can't walk away from or someone who is bent on getting their
> questions answered no matter how much of a scene they are creating.
> Those are the stories that I usually post here. *smile*  Because
> sometimes you just gotta vent!
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/24/2012 2:49 PM, Brenda wrote:
>> I wonder if there could be a video of things service users would like
>> to say back to these idiotic comments.
>> 
>> I'm glad you sent it Julie.  As a future guide dog user I never
>> dreamed people really said these kinds of things.  To be forewarned is
>> to be forearmed.
>> Brenda
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/24/2012 12:27 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>> The title of the video is, "Shit people say to service dog
>>> handlers".  It's funny in a sort of that's so true way.  The video is
>>> completely clean and appropriate for all viewers,
>>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSn9WO1FCb0
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:45:51 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog
>    everywhere
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> As far as I know, guide dogs never have vests around here.  I have seen 
> vests on dogs out of Paws for a Cause have, I think orange vests on.  Last 
> Friday, UI had to take my wife to the hospital and it was coollldddd!!!! I 
> put Holly in her jacket that I only use for cold and snowy weather.  She 
> thinks she looks great without it!  Anyway, its a very bright reflective 
> silver and she sure gets a lot of comments with that thing on!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog everywhere
> 
> 
>> Oh! Does one of the programs near you use orange vests for their dogs in 
>> training and puppy raisers?
>> 
>> Here, in GDB territory, it's the green vest. My dog is not wearing a green 
>> vest and is not a real guide dog. Oh, if I don't hear that one again soon, 
>> I will just wither away... NOT! /lol/
>> 
>> So then I wonder about GDB grads around here with working guides in 
>> harness but not in a green vest... Do they have those same discussions 
>> about green vests? If so, how do they feel about it?
>> 
>> Ah, well, people are just plain funny.
>> 
>> Tami
>> 
>> On 01/24/2012 02:54 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> Especially when those making the comments are watching you use the
>>> service! Someone at Target yelled at me because Holly doesn't have a
>>> orange vest on. She does have her Pilot tag on and I had her ID. She
>>> proceeded to tell me what she percieved the law to be. I told her there
>>> was no way she was getting near my dog but I'd show her my ID. She
>>> declined and began back pedalling. I told her that sence she was so
>>> insistant she would see the ID. But, I also said that me showing the ID
>>> was optional but sence she was so insistant, I figured she should!!! see
>>> it! I know, she saw Holly and I working because we were in line for
>>> quite awhile!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Vandervest"
>>> <timelord09 at att.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog 
>>> everywhere
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> yea, i get comments like that all the time, "is that a service dog, is
>>>> he/she finished training yet, or, when will he/she be finished
>>>> training, why do you need a service dog?, it can get really anoying
>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:49:45 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog
>    everywhere
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> Yah, just like the U-tube vid.  I have heard everyone of those and more! 
> They forgot the most asked question in my book, What is she!  And, when I 
> tell them, some folks don't believe me and will even argue!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog everywhere
> 
> 
>> Or plain irritating.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog everywhere
>> 
>> 
>>> Oh! Does one of the programs near you use orange vests for their dogs in 
>>> training and puppy raisers?
>>> 
>>> Here, in GDB territory, it's the green vest. My dog is not wearing a 
>>> green vest and is not a real guide dog. Oh, if I don't hear that one 
>>> again soon, I will just wither away... NOT! /lol/
>>> 
>>> So then I wonder about GDB grads around here with working guides in 
>>> harness but not in a green vest... Do they have those same discussions 
>>> about green vests? If so, how do they feel about it?
>>> 
>>> Ah, well, people are just plain funny.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>> On 01/24/2012 02:54 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> Especially when those making the comments are watching you use the
>>>> service! Someone at Target yelled at me because Holly doesn't have a
>>>> orange vest on. She does have her Pilot tag on and I had her ID. She
>>>> proceeded to tell me what she percieved the law to be. I told her there
>>>> was no way she was getting near my dog but I'd show her my ID. She
>>>> declined and began back pedalling. I told her that sence she was so
>>>> insistant she would see the ID. But, I also said that me showing the ID
>>>> was optional but sence she was so insistant, I figured she should!!! see
>>>> it! I know, she saw Holly and I working because we were in line for
>>>> quite awhile!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Vandervest"
>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Oh, so that's why he gets to bring his dog 
>>>> everywhere
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> yea, i get comments like that all the time, "is that a service dog, is
>>>>> he/she finished training yet, or, when will he/she be finished
>>>>> training, why do you need a service dog?, it can get really anoying
>>>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>>> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:49:17 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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> Yes, the stools do not sound like they are normal. Normal should be firm and well, easy to pick up.
> I realize this is your first dog, so you probably wouldn't know this. Combine that with the trainer who may ormay not be treating this as normal and you are left floundering.
> Cindy is right, do explore ways to get the stools healthy.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:19 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
> 
> I know this isn't your topic, but I am wondering if you have thought to give less treats and get the dog's stool consistently firm? What does the trainer say to do about this, and will that trainer be coming to visit again? How do you know when the training time is over? I have not received a pup from Fidelco so don't know.
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> 
>> The dog is from Fidelco. It is a large male shepherd. Because the placement is not over yet, my trainer is fully aware of the situation. He only has problems with leuce wayst after a particularly stressful day of training, or when he eats to many treats, and probably a combination of both.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>> 
>> 
>>> Mark, I can't remember where your training is from. If the dog has loose stools because of stress, maybe you should talk to the school about that too? Does she often have loose stools? Or is she a male because I forgot. <Grin>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does the dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is impossible to remove.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, the skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
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> From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] List of Dog Relief Areas Inside Secured Areas of
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> Good morning.  I've been asked for a list of airports that have dog relief areas inside the secured areas.  I'm aware that regulations were being considered about this issue.  I found a post to this list that discusses the proposed regs last fall. However, I have never heard there was a list of existing airports/relief areas.  Does anyone else know anything about this?
> Thanks.
> SHANNON L. DILLON
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> 
>> From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:37:31 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>> 
>> Giggle. What was a pig doing there???
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>> 
>> 
>>> Speaking of llamas, I was walking into my local coffee shop yesterday when
>>> Alexa and I encountered a pig. Yes, you know the kind, the small, some
>>> times pink, curly-q tail, oinking piggie. I do live in the mountains of
>>> North Carolina where most anything goes, but this experience really had me
>>> giggling. It was kind of sad though, because there I was, the only human
>>> around to my knowledge, standing in the rain with my perplexed canine and
>>> a pig.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Get a couple of llamas tpo carry all the stuff and the dog could double
>>>> as a herder for the llamas!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
>>>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, this is a very educational discussion. /smile/ I'm reading it all
>>>>> and wondering how many things I would forget to think of if I suddengly
>>>>> got a chance to head off on a nice backpacking trip one a natural
>>>>> trail...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which I long to do, so I'm exercising my guide dog hiking brain cells by
>>>>> trying to figure out how I would solve all of those things... /smile/
>>>>> 
>>>>> People have given good answers to some of the things I haven't gotten
>>>>> around to thinking about, like water purification and all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The weight bearing part, I'm not sure of, since the dog needs food,
>>>>> extra food for the extra work. So would I!
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I come up with a brilliant solution to that in light of the fact that
>>>>> I am but a delicate little woman, I'll be sure to clue y'all in...
>>>>> /grin/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tami
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/24/2012 05:08 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What specific things are you concerned about in regard to a week long
>>>>>> hike vs. a day trip?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it sleeping arrangements and making sure your guide is warm and
>>>>>> comfortable?
>>>>>> Is it the extra weight she will need to carry and getting used to
>>>>>> packs?
>>>>>> Maybe working her on off road terrain?
>>>>>> Are you concerned about interference from wildlife or illness from
>>>>>> unpurified water?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think if you could be more specific about what your concerns are,
>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>> be able to offer more help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/23/2012 9:56 PM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you for your response, but I am really looking for advice in
>>>>>>> regards to hiking with a guide dog. I've done lots of camping and
>>>>>>> hiking before I got my guide and even some short day trips with her,
>>>>>>> but as I said in a previous message, I"m looking into a week long hike
>>>>>>> of the Appalachian Trail this March and I want to take Alexa with me.
>>>>>>> I'm doing lots of research and considering the pros and cons of taking
>>>>>>> her. Her health and well being is just as important as mine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I go backpacking all the time. For water purification I just use the
>>>>>>>> purification tablets you get at any camping or army surplus store.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You can set up your tent completely independently; it just depends on
>>>>>>>> practice, and having a small tent. Chances are, if you are
>>>>>>>> backpacking you will have a small tent.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For food, I like the freeze dried food. It's a lot easier to carry
>>>>>>>> than canned food.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
>>>>>>>> Young"<jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tami. We probably won't do any hiking in the first year, but
>>>>>>>>> maybe some car camping.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Abigail, the biggest issue on a long trip is water. It doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>> as though you are, but if you or anyone is backpacking in a dry
>>>>>>>>> desert area, I would not recommend bringing a dog. The reason being
>>>>>>>>> that you have to pack all of your own water. This can become very
>>>>>>>>> heavy, and packing the additional water for the dog would be hard to
>>>>>>>>> deal with. Ideally you will only need to bring two or three leaders
>>>>>>>>> along with a water purification system. You can get water from
>>>>>>>>> streams, but it needs to be purified so you or your dog do not
>>>>>>>>> contract geardia. I'm sure I misspelled it, but it's also known as
>>>>>>>>> backpackers disease. It's easy to cure when near a hospital or vet,
>>>>>>>>> but not in the wild, especially because you won't have a functional
>>>>>>>>> bathroom.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Check with the organizer of the event to see if he or she is
>>>>>>>>> bringing a purifier, that way you won't need to by your own. Another
>>>>>>>>> thing is to make sure you are familiar with your own equipment. IE
>>>>>>>>> setting up your tent on your own ETC. You will need a hand with most
>>>>>>>>> tents, but you will need to make sure that you can do the majority
>>>>>>>>> of the work. Everyone else on the trip will have their own
>>>>>>>>> equipment, and having to help someone else a lot can be annoying to
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is all stuff I learned on the trips we took. I was twelve and
>>>>>>>>> theirteen on most of ours, and my dad came on one and basically told
>>>>>>>>> me if I wanted to keep going I needed to be more independent.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Good Luck, and don't hesitate with any other questions. Also, you
>>>>>>>>> can find a lot of first time resources online.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>> sugar. E-mail me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://actoverview.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> These are all excellent suggestions of things to consider. And
>>>>>>>>>> congratulations on your soon-to-be first child. You will certainly
>>>>>>>>>> be too busy to go camping! /grin/ Unless you decide next year your
>>>>>>>>>> brave enough to put the kid in a backpack and go for it. I know
>>>>>>>>>> people who do and don't know whether to admire their courage or
>>>>>>>>>> wonder about their sanity... Just kidding.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Another piece of good advice I got from an avid guide dog using
>>>>>>>>>> hiker and camper was to always wear sunglasses to protect your eyes
>>>>>>>>>> from low hanging branches, just in case. And also to wear a
>>>>>>>>>> baseball cap, for the same reason. This is certainly something I do
>>>>>>>>>> when using the cane on a trail, and good thing! With the tame
>>>>>>>>>> trails we usually do, I'm not as motivated to remember when I'm
>>>>>>>>>> using Mitzi, but I really try to make it a practice. Just in case!
>>>>>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've only gotten out on short day trips with Mitzi so far, but one
>>>>>>>>>> thing I did, knowing I wanted to add more of that in the future,
>>>>>>>>>> was to use the off leash obedience I'd taught her to give her
>>>>>>>>>> freedom to explore the first time or two, while I used my cane to
>>>>>>>>>> navigate and try to figure out how I planned to use her as a guide
>>>>>>>>>> dog. So then, when I did start doing trails with her in harness, we
>>>>>>>>>> were able to work out the kinks together pretty well. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>> gone on any of the really good backpacking and camping trips I
>>>>>>>>>> would like to. Yet. But I do like using more than one tool,
>>>>>>>>>> depending on which works best in which environment. Well, and Mitzi
>>>>>>>>>> really does do the jingle guide and squeak guide thing, in addition
>>>>>>>>>> to leash guiding, so that gives us a lot of flexibility.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That wouldn't work for everybody and every dog, though, so on a
>>>>>>>>>> safety first basis: Don't do it unless you're sure your dog will be
>>>>>>>>>> safe. Honestly, I can't see myself trying it at all with a
>>>>>>>>>> program-trained dog, simply because the pups are protected and
>>>>>>>>>> streamlined for guide work, not for running wild and free in the
>>>>>>>>>> wilderness... Mitzi ran free with a big pack o' poodles and other
>>>>>>>>>> dogs until she was 7 months, so the other dogs taught her the
>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals of doggy safety. That made socializing her and all in
>>>>>>>>>> the city quite the adventure, but it has given me a lot of freedom
>>>>>>>>>> to train from the beginning towards the outdoor life. She does
>>>>>>>>>> really well at city slicker stuff now, of course, but that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> mean we can't throw off our fancy duds and hit the trail! /lol/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> One way to work with a dog without risking letting it run off leash
>>>>>>>>>> where it doesn't know the dangers or might get too excited and run
>>>>>>>>>> off and forget to come back would perhaps be to do some long leash
>>>>>>>>>> work with dog while you use your cane. Our dogs are about as not
>>>>>>>>>> stupid as dogs can be, after all, and they really do seem to grasp
>>>>>>>>>> that their purpose in our lives is our safety and theirs. So giving
>>>>>>>>>> the dog a chance to observe some of the special obstacles and other
>>>>>>>>>> challenges of hiking a trail could be to give the dog an
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to watch you take them on and figure it out with your
>>>>>>>>>> cane. If that makes sense. Also, I have found it to be a good way
>>>>>>>>>> to plan *how* I want to hike with my guide when the time comes that
>>>>>>>>>> she will be in harness and I will be using a rigid cane or trekking
>>>>>>>>>> pole in the other hand for gauging distances up and down.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If that makes sense. /smile/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/22/2012 12:09 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So I have done extensive backpacking as a boy scout, but I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> had a chance to do any with my guideDog. One thing I'd recommend
>>>>>>>>>>> is to bring a cane along. A good sturdy cane not a telescoping
>>>>>>>>>>> one. The cane would serve two purposes. One as a walking stick.
>>>>>>>>>>> Most backpackers use a walking stick. A walking stick is
>>>>>>>>>>> especially useful on steep rough terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, when hiking you may encounter many obstacles that your
>>>>>>>>>>> dog might not normally encounter. You can use the cane to explore
>>>>>>>>>>> the obstruction before moving on. Also, make sure your dog is well
>>>>>>>>>>> fortified against flees and especially ticks. I don't remember if
>>>>>>>>>>> you said in the first email, but you might want to find out how
>>>>>>>>>>> rough the hiking will be and how many miles per day you will need
>>>>>>>>>>> to travel.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you and your dog only travel a mile or two a day on city
>>>>>>>>>>> sidewalks and you are expected to travel six or seven miles a day
>>>>>>>>>>> on the trip, then this could pose a challenge of potentially
>>>>>>>>>>> overworking your dog as well as yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I could probably come up with some other tips, but I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>> ramble to much. If you have any general backpacking questions feel
>>>>>>>>>>> free to let me know. Also, I'm sure we have some other backpackers
>>>>>>>>>>> on the list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I should add that I can't wait to take Hansel on a trip, but we
>>>>>>>>>>> are having our first child in August, so their won't be much, if
>>>>>>>>>>> any camping this summer.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff and Hansel
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Website: http://jhyrumyoung.drinkactweb.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The book's title is "Blind Courage" and I am going to try and get
>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I already live in the mountains of North
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina and Alexa and I are fairly used to hills and such. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> have done some hiking, but I wouldn't say that we are well
>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned or experienced hikers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know of our "progress" :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been backpacking, but not with my guide. The trip I went
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on was 5 days in Colorado in the Rockies. I'd estimate the pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I carried was 50 pounds or so. It was just about all I could do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry the thing. *smile* Of course that was just my stuff. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with Nicole to have your guide carry her own food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to get a pack for yourself and for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide now and start building up your strength to carry it. Add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a little more weight each day, practicing going up and down
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs to simulate mountain hiking. Your guide won't be used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying weight and will also need to build up strength to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do so comfortably. There are a lot of web sites that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about dog backpacking, you could check out some of them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get an idea of how much the maximum weight is that your guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could potentially carry. I'd subtract a bit from that because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guiding is work too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a book about a guy who hiked the entire Appalachian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trail with his guide dog. NLS has it. I want to say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, "Blind Courage" but I could be misremembering. I've read
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a load of dog books and they sometimes get cross-wired in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> head! *smile*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:59:33 -0800
> From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
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> Hi Mark.  I have a Fidelco female.  She's awesome.  She had loose stools in the beginning, too.  My trainer recommended I give her slightly less food.  I believe that worked a little bit.  I also found that her stools were looser when she was stressed out.  It may just be that you are both stressed because you are training and everything is new for both of you.  
> 
> Later I switched my dog off the school's recommended food per my vet's recommendations.  I was using Abady (that was what the school recommended at the time) and the vet wanted me to try something without grain because we wanted to see if she had food alergies.  When we switched to duck and potato by Natural Balance, her stools became these perfect little round balls. So much better than the loose, cookie dough like stools she had on the Abady.
> 
> Hope this helps.  Please feel free to contact me on or off list if you want more information.
> 
> SHANNON L. DILLON
> 
> 
>> From: REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:49:17 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>> 
>> Yes, the stools do not sound like they are normal. Normal should be firm and well, easy to pick up.
>> I realize this is your first dog, so you probably wouldn't know this. Combine that with the trainer who may ormay not be treating this as normal and you are left floundering.
>> Cindy is right, do explore ways to get the stools healthy.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:19 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>> 
>> I know this isn't your topic, but I am wondering if you have thought to give less treats and get the dog's stool consistently firm? What does the trainer say to do about this, and will that trainer be coming to visit again? How do you know when the training time is over? I have not received a pup from Fidelco so don't know.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>> 
>>> The dog is from Fidelco. It is a large male shepherd. Because the placement is not over yet, my trainer is fully aware of the situation. He only has problems with leuce wayst after a particularly stressful day of training, or when he eats to many treats, and probably a combination of both.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Mark, I can't remember where your training is from. If the dog has loose stools because of stress, maybe you should talk to the school about that too? Does she often have loose stools? Or is she a male because I forgot. <Grin>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to it. especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around where the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never had this issue before, though I am sure sometimes there has been a little. Does the dog move around when it is having a moving experience?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete wich is impossible to remove.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good enough job picking up the solid waist. According to the school, the skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing a problem. Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
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>>>>>>> Mark
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